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« on: January 25, 2010, 06:09:20 pm »
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06.30.04 The Next Level  Swerver: Why Wouldn't Jesus Date?  Bill Young 

http://www.experiencetherock.com/mp3/message/special/swerver.mp3

06.30.04 The Next Level  Swerver: Why Wouldn't Jesus Date?
Q & A  Bill Young 
http://www.experiencetherock.com/mp3/message/special/swerverqa.mp3

Faithwalkers 2008  Swerver Reloaded Bill Young
http://www.harvest-ne.org/Site/Podcast/Entries/2008/12/27_Faithwalkers_2008-_Bill_Young_and_Steele_Crosswhite_-_Swerver_Reloaded.html




Faithwalkers 2009 Server  Bill Young, Mary Young, Steel Crosswhite, and a few other people
http://gccweb.org/podcasts/episode-803/swerver.mp3
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2010, 06:36:31 pm »
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I was a member college/singles small groups during my time at GC. The term Swerver was bandied about by our small group leaders quite often, with tapes on the message passed out to anyone who wasn't convinced that dating was equivalent to worldliness/sin. Godly dating or dating with a purpose was lumped in with promiscuity. The idea was that you should "guard your heart" and thus not even consider a relationship with anyone of the opposite sex (until you get counsel, your elder approves, and you basically propose). Do not even talk to one female more than the others, it was often said. Do not show "partiality!" The swearing metaphor: having a crush on Girl A and talking a lot to her, and then later changing your mind and pursuing Girl B, and then Girl C, swerving all over the place with your heart, but each time showing partiality to one girl over the rest of your sisters in Christ. It got to the point where they asked all single members of the church to never be alone in another room with somebody of the opposite sex without having two members of both sexes in the room with you. This was not a junior high group, we were in our 20's!

The biblical justification they used, I later came to find out, was the exact same verse Jim McCotter used when he first introduced the principle under a different name in the beginning of the movement. McCotter first advocated GC's courtship methods. His words:
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What we call 'dating,' the Bible may call 'partiality' (James 2:9). What we call 'boyfriend/girlfriend,' the Bible may call a 'clique' or a 'faction' (Galatians 5:20).
John Meyer of Summitview Community Church in Fort Collins has a booklet published that they handed out, which used the exact same verse and reasoning as Jim's ancient teaching, without mentioning Jim at all.

The funniest thing about it is that even among the most "plugged in" members, it seemed like EVERYONE had a crush on somebody else. With so much pressure to act like nobody cared, it simply pushed everything underground and made it secretive. Leaders and non-leaders alike knew who had a crush on who, and the people who liked each other had to act like they didn't even when it was so blatantly obvious that they did. I've never been in a church with so much gossip and so many secrets. Most of them time the people who you thought would end up together, simply based on how they acted around each other, did. It really created this atmosphere of incredible sexual tension, awkwardness, and ultimately provides an incentive to tow the GC line because if you do a leader might finally approve of you asking the person you like to marry you.

Make no mistake, however, that most of the people I knew that got together "The GC Way" spent plenty of time beforehand flirting with each other, pretending like they weren't really flirting, and otherwise putting on this whole charade of "I'm godlier than thou." Also, if you are a male small group leader paired with a female small group leader, your chances of marrying are very very very high. Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2010, 06:43:03 pm »
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The Swerver Supremacy Faithwalkers 2007 Tan Tar A  Bill Young and Steele Crosswhite

http://www.gccweb.org/podcasts/episode-325/the-swerver-supremacy_bill-young-_-steele-crosswhite.mp3

Swerver II  Godly Relationships Revisited  Faithwalkers 2005  Bill Young

https://gccweb.markupfactory.com/podcasts/episode-178/swerver-ii-godly-relationships-revisited-bill-young.mp3

Also, Anonymous, I appreciate your post.  You hit the ball out of the ballpark I think when you said

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It ... ultimately provides an incentive to tow the GC line because if you do a leader might finally approve of you asking the person you like to marry you.
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2010, 06:48:09 pm »
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Make no mistake, however, that most of the people I knew that got together "The GC Way" spent plenty of time beforehand flirting with each other, pretending like they weren't really flirting, and otherwise putting on this whole charade of "I'm godlier than thou." Also, if you are a male small group leader paired with a female small group leader, your chances of marrying are very very very high. Smiley

Come to think of it there was one exception I remember where a very GC-loyal friend of ours started courting someone in another small group, and all anybody could do was express shock. Nobody had ever even seen him talking to her, and apparently the proposal had shocked even her. She said yes, and a couple of months later they were married!
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2010, 06:50:36 pm »
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Swerver Q and A  Faithwalkers 2006  Bill Young and Steel Crosswhite.  Steel and Kim's Story

https://gccweb.markupfactory.com/podcasts/episode-221/swerver-q-a-steel-kim-s-story_young-and-crosswhite.mp3

Sorry to post so much on this, but I think it's safe to say this is a "Doctrine of the Movement" either that or they get tired of finding new things to talk about to young, impressionable people.
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2010, 01:09:39 pm »
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same old stuff.  New term -- swerver -- used to be called impartiality in the 80's-90's. 

Dating though used to be called "sin"  now it is likened to eating McDonalds hamburgers every day (is this the best, sister?)

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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2010, 03:30:51 pm »
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Exactly, GC says, "Oh No NO No NOOOO!  This is not a command!" 

And then go one to show how there Non Swerver Approach is:

1.  A better way.
2.  More God honoring.
3.  Scriptural.
4.  Not selfish.
5.  The way that God's family should behave.
6.  What Jesus would do.

Dating is (according to GC):
1.  Selfish.
2.  Partial.
3.  Compared with familial incest.
4. The World's Deception.

Now, what self respecting Christian who hears and believes this would make any other choice than to find a mate the GC way.

My own personal take?  The concept of Dating with a Purpose (Bill Young in GC calls it DWAP-ing) is a good concept on it's face, outside of GCx.  Until you realize that it's really asking for permission from people who aren't your parents, only allowed with someone who is a GC Christian (usually), very controlling, oddly unnatural in the the GC APPLICATION, then Dating With a Purpose according to them becomes seriously cultic.

When authoritarian groups control information and who gets to have sex... then they can control a large portion of people's lives!  And when people are trying to remain pure, it's temptation, in my opinion, to make them wait years to be able to married.  Wasn't it the Apostle Paul who said, "It's better to marry than to burn (with passion)"? 

I'm all for wise dating or courtship.  I believe in "waiting" until you are married.  I believe in marrying a Christian!  From your Christian group is even better.  But to say that college kids who are away from home, parents, home churches, etc need to pursue this legalistic, burdensome way of finding a mate is just strange.  It's not that it's WRONG, necessarily.  It's just that it's controlling and people have KNOW IDEA what they are getting into when they join up.  I believe it's a way to continue to get people to "Plant their flag and die there" a la Rick Whitney etc.
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