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« on: November 30, 2015, 07:28:39 pm »

I know many folks in here might not agree with my personal inclinations, beliefs, and or political perspectives -- and so, I don't want those to be the focus of this post... But this past summer, I was protesting at a 'Family Leadership' political thing at ISU, and I was holding a sign that said 'This is what an atheist looks like,' and who walked right in front of me as he walked toward the event? My former GCx pastor and one of his top leadership guys. LOL He didn't know where to look. It was just great. Cheesy
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2015, 10:29:57 pm »

Oh, I can just picture that! And I can just imagine the conversation they must have had afterward in private.
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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2015, 07:22:45 am »

The people who once used to greet you with hugs now avoid you, divert their eyes or greet you so coldly! Yes, I've had that happen as well...but not from everyone. There were some who treated me the same. Problem was, I found myself treating them differently after a while. I stopped going to people's weddings...people I cared for because I didn't want to go through the stress and I didn't want to cause stress (sounds weird, doesn't it). After a few years, I said to myself, I'm going to kill people with kindness and if they ask in their concerned tones, "how are you doing?", I give them the biggest smile and say, "GREAT!" In my case, I tell them that my walk with the Lord has never been better (although it's taken me years to get here...not trying to discourage anyone). I'm not as angry as I once was and have real compassion for those that are unhappy in GC and unable to leave.
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2015, 09:22:38 am »

The social settings can be the hardest and saddest. For a group that speak of "loyalty" they clearly are only "loyal" if you are part of "them", which, of course, isn't loyalty at all.

When I step back and try to be somewhat "clear headed" about the situation, I am reminded of the many times during messages I attended where the audience was told about people like me/us. We are described as people who they were close to who turned into betrayers. I am reminded that in their theological ignorance, that I really do look like a "slanderous and divisive sister" (and I have that in writing from a GC elder).

Truth is, I'm pretty loyal. I'll still be everyone's friend. But, I will speak out and leave when a GC elder/pastor says "for the husband is the head of the wife, even as THE PASTOR is the head of the church". Excuse me, I believe that should be CHRIST IS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH. Or, when an elder/pastor says we are to give the controls of our lives to our elders who are fallible. This is some pretty big error. I guess loyalty to the Word, sometimes involves "disloyalty to men".

Of course, Jim McCotter felt the opposite when he said in his Leadership book that unity was the cardinal doctrine. Unity trumps truth. GC churches in a nutshell.

That said, it is still hard to know people I care about view me as a traitor. I pray that their eyes will be opened and they will come to understand the error that they teach. And, that they will correct it and repeat that correction as often as necessary.
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2016, 01:56:08 am »

The social settings can be the hardest and saddest. For a group that speak of "loyalty" they clearly are only "loyal" if you are part of "them", which, of course, isn't loyalty at all.

For a group that speak of "loyalty" they clearly are only "loyal" if you are part of "them", which, of course, isn't loyalty at all.

Sad Yeah.

I cried out finally--couple years after leaving. Between silence, the "I'll listen but God has placed me here to stake my stand and die", "give me a break and throw us a bone", and "ignoring that you just said you would never ask anything of me but that you wanted to talk to me about God, [bla bla bla noble-ish excuse] we'll never talk again", I actually read "Job" now and my heart drops with envy for how good his friends actually were.

Maybe they darkened sight with words without knowledge, but in his distress they actually came. They would have had to keep track/know, after all, his condition. Look into traveling, burden themselves to go out of their way somewhat...

I had been pulling away for a while before leaving the town the church was in, but a couple months after I last saw anyone from the church near campus, I was in another one being quizzed by a Christian on background and what was up with me. I was heavily anesthetized to suppress something like hell's urticaria and after answering his questions, he replied, "hmmm...it's like Job."

Then the pastor began to preach and, as it turns out, the sermon was on Job.

"See, it's for you!" He said.

Though I just *wish* I could have the faith of Job.

Don't worry about the social settings though--anyone visiting: I've found pagans and atheists to be more friendly than the "virtues" and social dynamics [re]produced [reliably] throughout GC*: after all, you're a person (quite often) to those unbelievers, rather than a number counted in the love-amoeba'ing[1] of people who use fake love to get you "saved" so they no longer have to care and can move on in being "important" doing "God's" work building "God's" kingdom.

I've even got to see the comparison of treatment, loyalty, and relationship of "brothers and sisters" between pagans and atheists--now on a couple different contexts--whether literal flesh and blood, or where for some other shared background/status they apply those terms to one another: GC* membership falls almost as short as they come unless you are directly in front of them and begging for help.

In fact...er...

backstory: I got into some trouble due the treatments I had to take for urticaria were slowly--very incrementally--wiping-out my capacity to think, act, or really be functional, all without even knowing it (before too late). I've seen the same but far worse kind of thing happen to people on meds long-term from docs until they're damaged and finally have to be put into care.

But the whole time I'd "disappared", nadie venga from the church--no one called, one tried to text message at one point (who had also been frequently pulling away and ultimately who also had to leave)...I'm sure they thought I was out following the devil or something, but in reality I had become ensconced in a stupor (which to escape I'd have to stop taking what allowed me not to go into shock daily, or feel like burning every moment).

But old friends, who are about as opposite as faithful Christians, who I had always had an uneasy relationship with/thoughts on due to not knowing quite how to socialize/mesh due to the many, significant differences (I was just immature) apparently tried calling and calling, one showed at the door, then they got my father (who had really never in his life volunteered to be the first party to establish communications/relationship--still doesn't since he's so socially anxious) to come-up and get me.

So folks: just. don't. be. tricked by those who cultivate and practice false love. Don't be sentimental about it--don't pine for a return. You're a flesh-and-blood being, and part of that is your brain forms strong associations and feelings for those whom you spend much time--particularly that you find meaningful--with, regardless whether it is good for you.

So powerful, in fact, you're sharing here--probably with total strangers, and probably longing for those lost relationships and people whom were beloved to you...but they are not. That's all you need to really know about them: they're likely busy "for Jesus" (i.e. probably themselves--or their false masters) if not themselves burned into the ground.

I am reminded that in their theological ignorance, that I really do look like a "slanderous and divisive sister" (and I have that in writing from a GC elder).

Yeah, poor souls. Just don't forget that they're captivating people with the desires of their hearts--it's out of them that they are enticed and so typically they're eagerly eating-up this stuff and actively harming people, it's not a passive/mere-ignorance-so-forgiven type of deal.

The proper response is "wolf in sheep's clothing" to that "Elder" given he is likely (my jaw dropped at having this kind of thing "explained" to me) unaware how "elder" contains a sense of "older, aged." I mean, it's only the meaning of the damn word (in English and in ancient Greek--also explained in any standard reference to that Greek), and not a mere title applied to anyone elected/appointed or "chosen" for "leadership": the only other group I know which operates like this with "elders" is the Jehovah's Witnesses. O.O

I love when people say they're praying for them and all but...well, EverAStudent and a litany of others, full of Biblical commitment and faith to properly handling the word, in their ranks and patiently for many years, actually demonstrated the truth to these men and their disciples and were run roughshod over and cast out of their synagogues, into the way, and some even trampled upon by these men.


[1] Confession: I thought of this term in a bio class one day and thought it clever and cool only a few hours before a DT leaderette brought it up as an idea and objective for her so...well yeah, God changes people and makes them repent. I mention this solely because that same person might encounter this at some point, and I don't want that person thinking this is a jab, slight, bitter statement, etc. (all which would not be fair).
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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2016, 04:38:03 pm »

I really do hate the pervasiveness of the GCx programming; the mental viral memetics of it all. So permeating is their dogma, that when one leaves, one ends up deeply questioning one's moral compass and walk with 'god.'

In the end though, I understood a lot of things... especially, that unity does not trump truth.

There were so many folks I had hoped would leave... but are now deeper involved, and married, with a ton of kids. I worry for them all the time.
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2016, 08:54:21 pm »

I don't know if this is the appropriate place to post this but here goes... One of my Facebook friends from GC just declared that "Risen is the kind of movie film was invented for" I AM SO EMBARASSED FOR HER. This statement made me want to vomit in my mouth. Just because it's a Jesus movie and probably the first movie she's been to see since she got married at 18, that does not make it the greatest film ever made ever. She probably was just excited to be allowed to leave her four kids at home and actually go do something not dictated by the church. Oh my god I just can't get over how stupid that statement sounds. It's literally making me cringe... Anyway, that's all... I just had to share that with SOMEONE. Ps, at least they finally got a brown Jesus.....
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2016, 08:53:32 pm »

Wow. I just watched the trailer for Risen. I hadn't really seen anything about this movie before (it has been a busy year). That looks terrible to me! The Bible is not supposed to be an action movie! There are so many things in that trailer that either were not described in the Bible (like the Shroud of Turin!? Come on), or were plain wrong (digging up all bodies less than a week old? I don't know of any reason to think that happened. A week old body often wouldn't be recognizable anyway...  not to mention the diseases they would be risking... and that they would have had a riot just due to disrespecting the dead; no need to wait for the riots caused by a risen messiah! *sigh*).

We should be incredible cautions with turning the Bible, which was written for a purpose, and in which every word was chosen for a reason, into a blockbuster hit. When we make the truth of the Bible into a movie, it will not be 100% accurate, but what is in the movie will be considered truth be many people. I don't think it is wrong to make Biblical text into a movie if done correctly, but the focus of this looks like it is on the action and emotional appeal, instead of on Jesus where it should be. 

I have always hated the mentality that "christian" entertainment is better than "secular" entertainment. I've already written a nice long soap-box about my views on "christian" music on this site, so I won't repeat that here. But I so often see people in Christian circles believe that anything with a "christian" label is automatically considered good, and anything with a "secular" label is bad. This was a huge problem at Summitview in my opinion. I think making assumptions about entertainment or art just based on whether or not it is "christian" is something to be very cautions about.
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2016, 07:58:12 pm »

I could not agree more! Just because it's "Christian" doesn't mean it's good! Like "gods not dead", not a terrible concept but there were two things that stuck out to
Me; one: the extremely Prejudiced view of Muslims, and other cultures in general... This was pretty upsetting for a lot of reasons but mostly because Christians should be the very last people to make judgements against any one else! Many Muslims are really not so bad, and dare I say it, THEY ARE EVEN GOOD PEOPLE. Two: as a student of theater, I can spot bad acting from a mile away and this movie was riddled witny it. SO BAD. It's the same thing with movies like fireproof and such.... Just get some actors who can portray a character convincingly, I know they're out there.....

I also have real problem with trying to make Christianity and the bible "cool" in an attempt to appeal to the lost, this happened A LOT at candlewood, everything was about giving us a cool appearance to entice the lost, it was really kind of sick.
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« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2016, 09:45:09 am »

I call it 'gimmicky Christianity'. I think that explains why these movies and such are so readily embraced by GCx. That being said, I do enjoy the genre at times for a good story, if the acting is good (The Ten Commandments, The End of the Spear e.g.).

Now that I am out, I see how many events were gimmicky. We had constant concerts to draw crowds and to keep our people motivated. We would look forward to films such as these as outreach opportunities. Similarly, the conferences and music were somewhat gimmicky as well.

Anyhoo, I'll probably see it as one of my friends enjoyed it, but it will be purely for entertainment purposes and maybe on DVD, although I can probably wait another year or two until it arrives on cable.
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