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Linda
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« on: January 18, 2008, 11:37:51 am »

Today's Wall Street Journal has an article on church discipline.

Here's the link:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120061470848399079.html?mod=djemITP

I found the WSJ article after reading a post by Ingrid Schlueter on her blog Slice of Laodicea.

To say that church discipline isn't ever correct would be wrong. In matters of uncorrected, persistent, sin, the Bible is clear, and the process is stated in Matthew 18.

Here's the link to the Slice post.

http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/?p=254

Here's a part of the post that I thought particularly helpful to the decomm discussion.

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When church discipline is being handled by churches where there is biblical leadership that cares enough to warn and rebuke, in love, it is a powerful tool in the hand of the Lord to call those who are straying to repentance. I don’t need to tell you that church discipline has too often become a farce today, not just because of churches that refuse to take any corrective role with those in its charge, but because of churches where pastors and leadership are controlling and abusive and are quick to discipline over issues not clearly spelled out in the Bible.**

**I refer here to churches where there are serious issues theologically or spiritually, but nobody in the church is allowed to speak of it with each other because the elders want to avoid scrutiny. This kind of code of silence can be enforced while sinful conduct takes pace on the part of church leaders. Those who object are held under the threat of removal and humiliation, and therefore the issues are never allowed to see the light of day by the member in the pew. My best advice with churches like this is to drop everything and run. These kind of churches are cults, and you are the checkbook to pay for its perpetuation.
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2008, 12:17:56 pm »

Linda-
Thanks for posting this.  Out of curiosity, did the author name any other offending groups?
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2008, 01:35:00 pm »

After reading that article.... I have to say that Mrs. Caskey ROCKS!  That is so great that she knows that she is in the right.  Did you notice the part where it said, due to no church hierarchy, there is no one the congregation can call on that is above the pastor?  And since that pastor decided not to follow the church constitution... chances are he's not about to listen to the people of the church.

I have to say, there is something to be said for a hierarchical structure in the church.  

I couldn't believe the other woman who was kicked out for gossiping about the pastor buying a bigger house.  That seems an excessive use of church discipline!
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2008, 08:17:24 am »

I kept thinking that Mrs. Caskey must have done something really, really bad. Adultery. Murder. Bank robbery. Theft. But for those of you who didn't see the article here's what happened. If you click on the link, you can hear the pastor's 911 call. This is what followed after the call:

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Half an hour later, 71-year-old Karolyn Caskey, a church member for nearly 50 years who had taught Sunday school and regularly donated 10% of her pension, was led out by a state trooper and a county sheriff's officer. One held her purse and Bible. The other put her in handcuffs.

The charge was trespassing, but Mrs. Caskey's real offense, in her pastor's view, was spiritual. Several months earlier, when she had questioned his authority, he'd charged her with spreading "a spirit of cancer and discord" and expelled her from the congregation. "I've been shunned," she says.

The WSJ article continues under the heading of "Gossip and Slander":

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Her expulsion came as a shock to some church members when, in August 2006, the pastor sent a letter to the congregation stating Mrs. Caskey and an older married couple, Patsy and Emmit Church, had been removed for taking "action against the church and your preacher." The pastor, Mr. Burrick, told congregants the three were guilty of gossip, slander and idolatry and should be shunned, according to several former church members.

"People couldn't believe it," says Janet Biggs, 53, a former church member who quit the congregation in protest.

The conflict had been brewing for months. Shortly after the church hired Mr. Burrick in 2005 to help revive the congregation, which had dwindled to 12 members, Mrs. Caskey asked him to appoint a board of deacons to help govern the church, a tradition outlined in the church's charter. Mr. Burrick said the congregation was too small to warrant deacons. Mrs. Caskey pressed the issue at the church's quarterly business meetings and began complaining that Mr. Burrick was not following the church's bylaws. "She's one of the nicest, kindest people I know," says friend and neighbor Robert Johnston, 69, a retired cabinet maker. "But she won't be pushed around."
In April 2006, Mrs. Caskey received a stern letter from Mr. Burrick. "This church will not tolerate this spirit of cancer and discord that you would like to spread," it said. Mrs. Caskey, along with Mr. and Mrs. Church, continued to insist that the pastor follow the church's constitution. In August, she received a letter from Mr. Burrick that said her failure to repent had led to her removal. It also said he would not write her a transfer letter enabling her to join another church, a requirement in many Baptist congregations, until she had "made things right here at Allen Baptist."

She went to Florida for the winter, and when she returned to Michigan last June, she drove the two miles to Allen Baptist as usual. A church member asked her to leave, saying she was not welcome, but Mrs. Caskey told him she had come to worship and asked if they could speak after the service. Twenty minutes into the service, a sheriff's officer was at her side, and an hour later, she was in jail.
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