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« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2018, 06:21:04 am »

  WOW!!!  Thank you Agatha, DV, and others for your experiences and comments.  There are so many similar and ditto experiences in my days at a GCx church.  You've both said many things quite well.
    Having spent more than 10 years at a GCx and more than 5 years now at an e.v. church with a totally different structure I would NEVER go back to the tight hand selected leadership system of GCx. 
   The transparency many congregants desired from leadership during times of church plants, locations, and missions felt non-existent.  On smaller things, one by one most of my friends were leaving.  At one point a friend who had been on the worship team for years was required to re-audition, cut, and told to take guitar lessons and then come back after six months or more.  He had been playing guitar for more than 20 years.  They just wanted him out.  He met with head pastor and was stonewalled.  Another friend was tasked as worship leader when another departed.  2 weeks later a replacement showed up and told him his services were no longer needed.  This was how they treated people for some time.
   I was leading a different ministry shortly after and while watching so much turmoil going on somehow felt I would eventually get a kick also.  Sure enough.  On a Sunday afternoon the phone rang.  On the line was a buddy asking if I was still involved with my ministry as they had announced someone else was taking over.  Crazy!   I heard it through the grapevine.  Months later that ministry was basically over with.
  Much of this I attribute to the unaccountable leadership structure that protects it's own.  The only recourse you have is to leave.  Many did.  So many were saved at/thru this church but the structure and pastoral staff inadvertantly stands in the way of the church's growth.  The pastors tightly managed far too many areas, relied on the gifts and skills of very few people for larger decisions and projects and were then always worried about burn out.  People willing to serve would leave for churches that allowed them to.  This also left the GCx church with only a handful of maturing Christians and a revolving door.  If you needed to meet with a pastor their schedules seemed to have a 4 to 6 week backlog.  They really needed to delegate more so they could tend the flock as pastors should be doing. 
   Finally, they always seemed to feel a need to Re-Ignite, Fan the Flame, or re-brand themselves.  If a church needs to do that frequently enough they should be asking why.  Peoples walk shouldn't keep going dry in a congregation as a whole but that is the sense one would walk away with.
   I have no regrets for going there as it was part of Gods plan for me but am in a far better church for me now.   One fear I had in leaving GCx was about leaving relationships behind. However, if you find a good well run church, get in a ministry, and get in a small group you will find good fellowship.
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« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2018, 08:26:39 am »

Thank you, Bourneforhim.  Explaining your experience here is so helpful for others reading here.  So many stories here describe the great need for this site.

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« Reply #42 on: March 22, 2018, 09:10:38 pm »

   
This is in response to many of the bloggers posting here on this site and to those who try to silence them.

Let the People Speak!

Often, it seems God applies the balm of his word to a wound or difficulty, precisely at the point where the trouble is occurring in our lives.  This may include claiming by faith an application of scripture other than the specific original intention, though it is in line with scripture as a whole.  For instance in Isaiah 43:19b it says “I am making a way in the desert and streams in the wasteland.”  Although it seems God is telling the Israelites he will rescue them from Babylon by a way they have not known, where it appears hopeless & impossible, we can apply it to our own deserts and wastelands.

As I read Isaiah 41:1 I felt God was addressing those “Christian" groups, and specifically GCx, who are independent and isolated as “islands” and in constant defense of their harmful ways.

“Be silent before me, you islands!

Let the nations renew their strength!
Let them come forward and speak..."


I felt perhaps these are the church groups who have isolated themselves from the rest of the body of Christ, even though they profess that they do not.  Most of us are familiar with “christian” groups like this.  No one who would disturb their traditions is allowed in; and no one who wants to be accepted by them is allowed out.  We have an island near us that has been so isolated (by water) that some of the people still speak a dialect that remains from Elizabethan English.  There are some groups with similar characteristics that pride themselves on their “godliness” and separatism.  Their methods of godliness are actually condemned by the Word of God, but they are unfortunately blind to this.  Most practice some form of shunning to those speak up or decide to leave their group. This is man’s way of keeping their group in existence.  And, of course, they offer a “better” way to bid people to join with them.  They go so far as to publicly pronounce judgments on others who are not as "conforming to the Bible" as they are.

These groups seem to not only isolate themselves from the general body of Christ, but in the process isolate themselves from the Head of the Body which is Christ.  I don’t mean they are no longer saved.  I mean they no longer follow Christ’s lead, but their own man-made traditions.  They have actually turned away from their Savior’s directing them, to treasured idols directing them, idols of their own making.   But the deceiver has blinded them, and they cannot see this.

Another characteristic is that those who are part of their group are not allowed to share their true heart, or follow God’s individual desires for them unless they fit into the goals of the group.  They must conform or be looked down upon.  They definitely cannot question the validity of the group’s traditions.  And so like the animal that falls into the pit on the Sabbath, they are left alone to suffer.  After all, the RULES are greater than the men they are supposed to help.  These Rules make up their idol which they serve.  The people become weary, burdened and depressed, but are afraid to be labeled “ungodly”, and so they suffer under the weight of the idol in SILENCE!  

Who will help them?

These beloved people need a place to SPEAK, to have their voice heard; to have their heart listened to.  The GCx Forum Warning website is one place.  Although, even there, the GCx defenders try to HUSH them.

I felt reading this passage that God was rebuking Gcx to ‘Be Quiet’ and ‘Let the people come forward and SPEAK’.  The verbalizing of abuse is the first step to HEALING: having a voice and relieving the pain, receiving help, and renewing one’s strength.  This may not be the specific original intention of this scripture, but I felt it was APPLICABLE to the bold intimidation by GCx in attempt to “mute” testimony of its abusive false dogma and practices taught as “truth” from scripture.

There is an appropriate but horrifying film depiction of what captive manipulation and abusive doctrine by leaders over a group of people produces. The devastation shown may seem farfetched, but it is probably a realistic analogy to the cruel outcome of such methods.  It paints the effects of oppressing, humiliating, and terrorizing followers into submission.  It is not a movie that children should watch.  I would even advise others not to watch it alone but with a trusted friend or group.  Its content is very heavy.  It would be very useful to discuss it in a group afterward to process all that’s going on.  You can get it from NETFLIX.  It is entitled “The Village”.

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