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Linda
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« on: February 20, 2008, 10:24:41 am »

One of the marks of our experience in a GC church was that of a lack of freedom of the believer that came from a misguided sense of the leaders thinking their "authority" (by the way, where do they get their authority....from each other, but that's a whole different topic) means they have some sort of obligation to tell each believer what God has for them regarding the personal details of their lives (jobs, where to live, how many kids to have, where to go to church) rather than having an understanding that their authority is simply to boldly preach the Word and hold Christians accountable to it.

Their idea of the authority of their position (again, we can't not ask the question of where did they get their authority) is to teach that:

If you want to go to a different church, you need to get permission from your  pastor.
Or,
If you want to take a job in a different city, you need to get permission from your pastor.
Or, as one person told me,
If you want to have another child, you need to run it by your pastor.

This, I submit is bondage.

Here's a link to an excellent article, on the topic of freedom and bondage.

http://blog.togetherforthegospel.org/2008/02/the-bondage-of.html

And here are a few quotes from it.
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Personal reading, meditation, sermons, friends and books are all available to us to help us to better understand God's revealed will.

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But I chose, consulting Scripture, friends, wisdom, and my own subjective sense of the Lord's will, to come to DC.  And even if I were wrong about that, I had (and have) that freedom in Christ to act in a way that is not sin.

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A subjective sense of leading--when we've asked for it (as in James 1:5 we ask for wisdom) and when God freely gives it--is wonderful.  The desire for such a subjective sense of leading, however, is too often, in contemporary evangelical piety, binding our brothers and sisters in Christ, paralyzing them from enjoying the good choices that God may provide, and causing them to wait wrongly before acting.

Beware of the bondage of "guidance."
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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2008, 02:45:17 pm »

February 20th, 2008

Linda,

I haven't posted for a while, but I do read here very regularly.  I still get very sad when I read how many have been affected by GC teachings and standards.  As you know if you have read my previous posts ~ ("Hellos & Testimonies"...), I am the wife of a pastor.  We have been gone for quite a while now, thankfully.  I did not experience first hand much of the "getting permission for everything" rule, but I did see some leaders putting pressure on other people and I knew it was wrong and questioned my husband about it.  He never put pressure on ones that way, instead he gave counsel to follow the Spirit's leading, using general Biblical principles ~ not proof texts, and which actually went against other leaders' counsel at times!  I know for me I wouldn't have lasted very long if they had tried to tell me what to do!  This is just one reason why we are glad to be apart from GC, and why we try to point ones in the direction of other, more Biblical churches.  Yes, Linda, the "Together for the Gospel" website is a very good one!  I highly recommend it too!  Thanks for mentioning it!  I do still pray for everybody here regularly.  It is a privilege.
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2008, 05:00:24 am »

Hmmmm,    no disrespect intended but the "Together for the Gospel" site is associated with "Sovereign Grace" ministries... which was shown in a different thread to have detractors which voice similar complaints as ex-members of Great Commission churches are making.

I suspect that there are highly individual experiences that differ from person to person.

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2008, 07:34:47 am »

The blog says:

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The T4G Blog is an ongoing public conversation between Mark Dever, Ligon Duncan, C.J. Mahaney, and Albert Mohler.


Mohler and Dever are Baptists.
Duncan is a Presbyterian.
Mahaney is SG.

As I understand it, this blog is an ongoing public conversation between them. I thought it was interesting in light of the other blog (sguncensored) that Dever put this on their shared blog. Don't know if it was addressing some differences he had with SG of if it was for some totally unrelated reason.

I think the T4G conference is an SG thing though. Not sure.
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2008, 07:57:27 am »

"I think the T4G conference is an SG thing though. Not sure."

It's a working together of Mohler, Dever, Duncan and Mahaney.

This year John MacArthur, RC Sproul and John Piper will also be there.

http://www.t4g.org/2008/
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