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AgathaL'Orange
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« on: June 30, 2012, 07:10:16 am »

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Our Journey
5 years. 5 different buildings.

The miraculous and often humorous journey to our current home is a story of God's faithfulness and the hard labor of many who have mopped floors, grilled burgers, cleaned toilets, sang songs, and killed cockroaches—all with a smile and some guts.


I didn't notice this headline before, but it makes me feel sick.  It really does.  Now they are raising $600,000 for the current building.  Going to a GC church is like being married to a man who can't make up his mind.  You know the type, the dreamer, the visionary, the guy who expects you to clean his undies and house while he sits in the basement in holy prayer.  The ultimate chauvinist.  It's the same feeling I get when I read or hear about DTC or WCCC.  The attendees are the servants really.  It's not that I'm against service at all, in fact, I've done all kinds of service at my church.  It's just the level of service at WCCC is to the detriment of all other things in life.  When we left the church, it took years for us to be "normal" again (if you can call us normal, lol).  We had spent so much time volunteering that we didn't really have any friends or a life.  We were the accessories to the church leadership's lives.  They lived the important lives and we were their satellites.  

You can't see it when you are there.  We didn't realize until we were out for quite a while and looked around.  We realized we didn't know anyone around us.  And if you know us now, you know that that wouldn't be our regular personalities.  We know lots of people now.  We make friends easily.  We are friendly.  

I saw a friend recently who has attended a GC church since college, and it struck me her flat affect, her glazed over expression.  It was a reserve and a guardedness that I once had.  It was such a contrast to people I know ordinarily NOW, no beatific expressions, nobody like that at all.  So hard to explain, but you know it if you see it.  

ETA:  I never attended DTC only WCCC
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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2012, 07:14:39 am »

Did anyone else have a sensation of "waking up" after they left?  I had a very specific moment when it was as though I woke from a long sleep and I remembered what I had said the first time I attended the church 8 years earlier (no joke, I really said this the first Sunday), "Either it's the friendliest church in the world, or it's a cult."  I then proceeded to attend it wholeheartedly for 8 years. 

My husband says when we left is when he finally grew up into being a man who was responsible for himself and could think for himself.  Shame on us for confusing dependency and permission with following God and doing God's work.

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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2012, 04:23:40 pm »

Agatha, I wish there was a like button on the forum. Totally agree and relate. This is a place to "get over". Those in the inner ring (the insiders) are blind to it. So glad you are free and doing well.
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2012, 05:44:57 pm »

Hey everybody,

 I was so sad to hear that so many people have been hurt by GCM. I believe GCM is awsome body of believers, who are doing there best to win the world for Christ. I am not saying that everyone involved is perfect, because that is far form the truth. We are all imperfect sinners, in need of a perfect savior. By reading this site, I know many of you have  http://www.saclongchampfranc.net misunderstandings about GCM. I want to do my best to clear these up. I am going to try to post often, and I hope my blurbs will not be deleted. I really am not trying portray that i know everything. In fact, there are many questions i can not answer. However, i want to try to help reinstill confidence in GCM, and clarify what we are really all about.
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2012, 05:13:54 pm »

Agatha,

I'm glad you are reminding us of where we have been and where we do NOT want to go AGAIN.  "Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery".  (Galations 5:1)  

I also experienced this heavy burden of time and labor in the 80's in the Maryland (College Park, Silver Spring, wherever they would move to) part of GCx.  I was a virtually new and young christian and sort of concluded that this "HEAVY" committment must what "God" expected of all TRUE believers. This is what their devoted followers made very plain to those they discipled because this is what they had been taught from the TOP MAN DOWN (though I didn't realize then it was just a mere man's rule of order).  They laid a guilt trip on me that not to commit in this "devoted" manner was to turn my back on God.  I heard that many a time, in many a way. In fact, sometimes they even went as far as to claim God would "judge you harshly" if you didn't stay with them.   I certainly did not want to DISAPPOINT GOD, or be "zapped" by Him.  

Jesus replied, “And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them.
 
(Matt 23:4)

I don't remember actually seeing the "elders" doing much actual "work".  They talked to those in leadership, had many a long night meeting, talked at "teachings", counseled all kinds of followers every which way they went, talked about what was wrong with other christians, and other christian groups, but I personally never saw those at top lift much of anything. The people below them did almost all the work all the time.  They were TALKIING in "important" meetings while we were working at our jobs to pay them a salary. We were working most of any other waking hours (and many when we should have been sleeping) for the church or it's leaders, printing, folding, cooking, cleaning, buying, selling, distributing, babysitting, packing, moving, doing whatever the GCx top dog desired.  He would call it a "vision" and soon nearly everyone was bowing to it, putting our very lives "on hold" for men, not God.  We were actually slaves and didn't know it.  We didn't have the luxury of asking God if that's what he wanted us to do or even required it.  You were EXPECTED and told over and over to surrender your LIFE for GCx.  You name it, we worked it through for them, and were available at a moments notice.  Most of them did not physically serve that I remember.  Some of these "elders" were nice guys with probably good intentions who ended up as blind guides leading us blind sheep.  They may have worn themselves out talking, to members or themselves; but that was because they set people up to only get advice from them, that was there own choosing.  I seem to recall there were less than 30 people supporting three elders with three large families.  I never asked for three paid elders.  But they asked for my money, time, and loyal devotion.  Some I believe didn't even see the ridiculousness of the scheme of things because they were too busy trying to keep up with the "spiritual" treadmill themselves.  It was not a LABOR OF LOVE, it was an exhausting, unending, mindless LABOR FOR LOVE.

That is NOT the heart of Christianity, NOR Jesus.  Read Galations, 1 Thessalonians and hear the heart of a REAL leader of God's church, a REAL DISCIPLE of Christ.  He was compelled by Christ, not by men.  There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment.

There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment.
1 John 4:18

Glad to Rest in His Secure Love with You,
Janet
 

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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2012, 09:16:35 am »

You made a good point...the elders did a lot of counseling based on their whim, but not based on having spent hours and hours formally studying the rigorous disciplines called Nouthetic Counseling or Biblical Counseling. 

Having myself spent 18 credit hours studying Biblical Counseling while earning an M.Div., 50 hours in Nouthetic Counseling training, and 6 months as a Nouthetic Counselor intern, I can tell you that if someone wants to counsel spiritually there are ways to become well trained and there is no excuse for "winging it" when one is paid clergy.
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