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AgathaL'Orange
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« on: January 22, 2010, 07:29:21 am »

Netflix finally is able to send out Join Us.  I've been waiting for over a year!  So last night I watched it.  Here are a few of my impressions:

1.  I'm sad that Paul Martin is no longer with us.
2.  I thought it was interesting how the cult leader made the followers do what he said, but when they followed it to their detriment, he distanced himself from their teaching and blamed the followers.  I find this all the time in hyperfundamentalism, GC being no exception.  There is a LAW laid down, take for example SWERVER.  They say it's not a law out of one side of their mouth.  Then you follow the law, insist on the law, etc.  Then if it doesn't work, well then, there are exceptions to that law.  We didn't REALLY mean that you had to follow what we were saying.  (But if you don't you will not be getting God's Best).  I think this is called Crazy Making Behavior.  We say this, we mean this, this doesn't work, well that's not what we really meant or you applied it wrong, or you did something wrong, it's not our fault.
3.  It was so triggering to me, that I'm going to be talking about this at my next counseling session.
4.  Paul Martin said (paraphrasing) that kids who are made to obey to the extreme without question or thought ever, are ripe for the picking to join cults.  I certainly found that to be the case for me.  Even in counseling, my counselor has noticed that I'm asking what to do.  She won't give me any advice now!   Smiley  She wants me to stand on my own two feet and talk it out and reflectively and prayerfully enter my future.  I do find myself constantly asking for advice and input.  SOMEONE tell me what to do.  I want SOMEONE to follow, while at the same time I struggle with following.  It's almost like I need someone so extreme so I can fight against them and win.  Life isn't that cut and dried I don't think.  We'd like there to be an easy formula, but I don't think that there is.  (I don't know, talk to me in a year, hahahahaha)
5.  I believe GC and other extreme fundamentalist churches are damaging to people's lives.  I don't know why it seems they damage some and not others though.  Why do I feel so broken up about my involvement, my application of the GC way, and yet still my inability to give my whole self over?
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2010, 02:55:21 pm »

Sorry to threadjack, but this is about the third reference I've noticed recently to SWERVER. I haven't seen that term before. Could someone please briefly explain what it is?
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2010, 04:11:02 pm »

I also do not know this term.... SWERVER.....  this sounds like some kind of  insider lingo.....  Is it ia GC term or one coined to apply to GC.

Would someone please define it.
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2010, 06:03:17 pm »

I started a new thread called "The Swerver 'Suggestion' to get rid of my excess posts over here.  Here's my take on the meaning of "Swerver".

Basically, Swerver is a message about the GC way of Dating/courtship.  You don't pay any attention to the opposite sex other than to love them like a brother.  No brother in his right mind would be attracted to a sister.  We're all a family.  Then when you think you are ready to date, you seek lots and lots of counsel.  Then you wait and wait and wait until you get the go ahead to seek a relationship.  Then you do that.  It's just really controlling and in many instance there is a lot of talk about how to proceed before anyone ever even admits they like someone.  

A "swerver" is something takes you off your focus and mission... sort of like the shopping cart at the store.  The idea is that "chasing" after the opposite sex is a waste of valuable proselytizing time and ministry time.  It's a nice idea sort of, but they push it beyond what might be a smart view of relationships into a cultic, controlling way.  Uniformity of thought.  Uniformity of vision.  Uniformity of practice.
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