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Author Topic: Larry Pile and Bill Taylor Reconciliation  (Read 6329 times)
araignee19
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« on: January 20, 2015, 09:17:12 pm »

I'm curious what the thoughts are towards this:

 ".... I wish to state that GCC has resolved to my satisfaction all issues of concern I have had over the past 34 years regarding GCC’s teaching and practice. I am happy to state publicly that [my wife] Linda and I and GCC now enjoy fellowship together as members of the broader evangelical church community. ... I request that the past remain the past. I urge that current members and leaders of GCC be evaluated fairly, according to how they teach and live out their faith in the present."  Larry Pile (2011)

(from http://www.gccweb.org/about/history/reconciliations. See also http://www.gccweb.org/assets/gccweb/history%20of%20reconciliation.pdf)

How can he be satisfied with all issues of concern if they keep teaching the wrong things? I would love it if Larry Pile clarified this a little more. Does he really mean he thinks there are no more problems? Is he convinced the problems are not really "problems" anymore (there are no perfect churches). Or was this statement specific to the hurts he had, and not as much towards the teaching. Or are we on this forum beating a dead horse and egging each other on in a mob mentality of dissatisfaction towards GCx, when really they have changed and are doing good work?

This frustrates and confuses me a bit.
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2015, 10:07:23 am »

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How can he be satisfied with all issues of concern if they keep teaching the wrong things?

Not only do they keep teaching the wrong things, they have never made public correction of the bad teaching.

I assume that these men have not listened to recent GC messages, or talked with former members about why they left in recent years.

I have communicated with Larry Pile since that letter was written to inform him (in vague terms for privacy) about a situation involving the daughter of a friend to make him aware of the fact that things are still bad.

He wrote back: "The situation appalls me too."

So, my take on that letter is that he had some private conversations with GC leaders and that privately things were said that allowed him to feel free to write that. I was surprised and saddened that he apparently didn't communicate with people who have left in recent years, and I was surprised that GC got off the hook without making a very public correction of their bad teaching in the past and, in effect, got a boost from these men.

Very sad.

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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2015, 01:37:22 pm »

I agree with you, Linda.

Perhaps that's why God warns us to please Him rather than men.  We obey the Holy Spirit first, not men first.  Otherwise I, myself, wouldn't bother to continue posting here.  God applauds those who seek to protect and warn his sheep.  He is quite critical of "spiritual leadership" that are more interested in their own ambitions than those of their flock. I believe that believers posting here want to warn others to protect them from what they have experienced and suffered, especially in their VERY FAITH.  They want to stop the ravaging!


Here's what God says about such shepherds:

"Woe to the shepherds of Israel who only take care of themselves!
Should not SHEPHERDS take care of the flock?
You eat the curds, clothe yourselves with the wool and slaughter the choice animals, but you do not take care  of the flock.

You have NOT STRENGTHENED THE WEAK or HEALED THE SICK or BOUND UP the INJURED....
YOU HAVE RULED THEM HARSHLY and BRUTALLY."

(Ezekiel 34:2,3,4)


If this is his CURRENT STANCE, I'm very disappointed in his "official" opinion on GCC, GCM, GCI, CCN, or whatever they call this whole batch of yeast - GCx (x=whatever their new alias is).



 

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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2015, 07:50:55 pm »

I agree with you Araignee19 that his comments are confusing.  

I did go on the Wellspring website, some time ago, contacting them and asking for their current stance on GCx, but received no reply.  I couldn't, in good conscience, recommend them if they were aware of this website's testimony of continuing habitual spiritual abuse by GCx leaders, the MUTE public denial of its main founder as an ABUSIVE FALSE TEACHER - A WOLF IN SHEEP's CLOTHING, and choose to turn their head.

In another post, the scripture speaks to those leaders who turn their head:

"Israel's watchmen are blind, they all lack knowlege;
they are all mute dogs, they cannot bark."
Isaiah 56:10

(The rest of the post is under Healing Forum/ GCX Shepherds Blind and Mute.)


A Netflix TV Series, titled "The Assets", that my husband and I recently watched came to mind as you expressed your frustration with those with "clout" not pursuing this evil to its end. In this TV Series based on true events, a small team of people pursued,over 10 years, an end to evil among their own ranks. A deceptive agent was progressively destroying their "assets".  Those with "clout" did not always support their task. They were continually met with challenges and disappointments, and almost gave up, but determinedly finally identified the traitor and put an end to his evil practices.

 God's assets, his sheep, are even more precious to him and he will not abandon his sheep nor let their spiritual abuser go without being condemned.

Ours is indeed a supernatural battle for the destruction of our faith (not our salvation- Satan can't take that away once were saved) especially targeting our present active faith.  False Teaching is a demonic strategy using demonic doctrine to persuade God's sheep that they are neither unconditionally loved, nor possess an unceasing righteousness, nor are important or powerful enough to be useful to His Kingdom.  Satan wants us to believe God has rejected us, that we are not useful to Him, and that there is no power, future or hope left available for us.  SATAN IS A LIAR!

I know that this is the result of the false teaching that I personally received while in GCX, because I often struggled with these very things while there 10 years.  I was not equipped by the leaders for faith-filled works of service for God My Father in Heaven, but for flesh-filled works of exultation for GCx's Show On Earth.  I was DE-QUIPPED (I know that's not a word) by a process of progressively stripping me of my dignity and my real spiritual power. I was lied to about who I actually was and what I actually possessed IN CHRIST!  I was continually persuaded I was not good enough - yet.

That is what gets God so mad, and many of us here also listening to Him, reading, and posting on this site.

But, it does get messy and foggy when it happens with people you have ties with, whom you think know better.  Paul says in the New Testament to BEWARE that savage wolves WILL COME both from among you and outside you.  It takes supernatural revelation, depending more on the Spirit than on men or what is merely "seen", to see and hear and identify False Teaching.  Just as in "The Assets", relational ties can blind you to what's right in front of you.

But God's Divine Light IS Exposing This Particular False Teaching Group, and it IS freeing many, healing many, and Strengthening many who had almost given up on their Faith.  Each precious person it helps is worth the effort.

God's timing of bringing this group's evil of False Teaching to an end certainly isn't mine - but it will be Divine.


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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2015, 08:51:14 am »

This is sad to me. It almost sounds like he's saying he has re-embraced this religious community, let himself get caught up in their claims and teachings again, and doesn't want any more light shined on their issues... It sounds like programming relapse.
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