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Author Topic: Non-GCC pastor Andy Savage resigns after debacle of mishandling of abuse  (Read 8326 times)
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« on: March 22, 2018, 01:50:42 am »

I know we are hoping for a trustworthy investigative process of pastoral abuse, but in the meantime I wonder how stories like this affect the ECC Board.  The details of the case are different (the victim was a minor, there was sexual assault, Andy acknowledged his "mistake") but I think the overall message is that abuse won't be tolerated in the church and people involved in mishandling it need to go.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2018/march/andy-savage-resigns-abuse-megachurch-standing-ovation.html

Andy Savage is the pastor who was brought up on stage in January, reframed everything that happened, was declared repentant and humble, and given a standing ovation.  It was reported on in the media and people were appalled at this "Christian" behavior (this is not persecution, btw, it's that they have higher standards for accountability) and I'm guessing that this pressure is the only reason he ever gave up his position.  Not conviction.  One of his superiors in the past has already resigned for mishandling it.  

First of all, based on what current GCC people have posted on here (criticisms of GRACE by Sovereign Grace Churches and Doug Wilson), I wonder if they even pay attention to other churches nationally.   I'm not trying to be overly critical, I just find that aligning with these groups at all either show lack of information or perhaps an identification with them (that would be worse).  But if the Board is aware, I wonder if that causes them to take more seriously any potential cover-ups or abuse.
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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2018, 08:30:03 am »

I couldn't believe it when SGM and Doug Wilson were cited as reasons why GRACE was bad.

Yes, GRACE is bad if you have something to hide.

Appreciated Huldah setting the record straight on that.
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2018, 10:49:18 am »

On the topic of the Church's approach third party investigations of abuse, here's a case where half the board resigned because they didn't believe the investigation followed the necessary stipulations:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2018/march/bill-hybels-misconduct-willow-creek-john-nancy-ortberg.html

The Chicago Tribune article also has further details.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-met-willow-creek-pastor-20171220-story.html
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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2018, 11:38:35 am »

Free in Christ, I noticed that also.  Bill was cleared in their investigation, because not all investigations are equally executed.  I am not speaking to his guilt or innocence (although it's interesting that other pastors are bringing the allegations) but the fact that some board members resigned does tell me that some ways to run investigations are more ethical than others.
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2018, 12:42:12 pm »

Probably most of you are aware that Bill Hybels resigned from Willow Creek a few days ago. Because the allegations were a "distraction."

Over the weekend, on the 8th of April, one of the women who was mistreated by the name of Vonda Dyer told her whole story in a blog post at VondaDyer.com .

I found the link for that on the Christianity Today story about Bill Hybels resigning. Vonda was reluctant to tell the board her story or report Bill's issues to the board because she thought she was the only one. Then other stories started coming out. There is much more to her story than the Chicago Tribune had in their article, so it is worth reading her whole story.

I don't know how to put links up or I would do that.

The parallels to the situation at Evergreen are striking.

Some members at Willow Creek express that maybe it is all just a "misunderstanding that can be forgiven." But read Vonda's story.
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2018, 12:50:58 pm »

  https://vondadyer.weebly.com/blog/vonda-dyers-statement-re-chicago-tribune-and-bill-hybels   

Godisfaithful,  is this the one you were talking about?
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2018, 12:59:14 pm »

These are good too. 

The similarities between the accusations against Bill Hybels and Mark Darling are uncanny.

https://www.nancylortberg.com/

https://veritasbetold.wixsite.com/website

http://www.nancylbeach.com/blog/2018/4/11/why-we-cant-move-on
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