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Author Topic: NPR story on Abdulmutallub-- An excellent case study  (Read 9477 times)
AgathaL'Orange
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« on: February 17, 2010, 06:48:16 am »

Edited to add this note:

I am in no way comparing extremist Islamic sects to GC.  I am trying to point out the possibility of authoritarian parenting and focus on obedience may make children susceptible to extremist groups.  That's it... nothing further!


I woke up today to this:

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After graduating from University College London in 2008, and abandoning a master's degree course in Dubai, Abdulmutallab traveled to Yemen, against his parents' wishes, to learn Arabic and deepen his knowledge of Islam.

That's where he apparently cut ties with his family. After he sent a text message to his father to say he had found real Islam, Alhaji Mutallab alerted the U.S. Embassy in Nigeria and the local security agencies to report his son's alarming behavior and increasingly hard-line views.

Mutallab woke up on Dec. 26, 2009, to see Abdulmutallab's image on the television. His son had been arrested in the U.S. for allegedly trying to blow up Northwest Flight 253 on Christmas Day.

Wow.  He joined a cult.  This reminds me of when Steve Hassan (cult exit counselor who was with the Moonies) said that when he saw the planes on September 11, he realized that he had once been so extreme in his beliefs that if he would have been asked to crash into the WTC, he could have done that.  

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Mutallab's friend and brother-in-law, Mahmoon Baba-Ahmed, called the father a "puritan."

"[He] inculcated self-discipline in a puritan manner to his children," Baba-Ahmed says, "to never create any situation that will warrant or allow his children to go astray or to behave indecently."

I found this at the beginning of the article.  I firmly believe that the demand for instant obedience and not allowing children any room to think for themselves, while focusing on a "puritanical" expression of faith is setting the framework for children who wish to be devout to become radicals.  This is something that has been on my mind a lot lately.  I realized that my childhood desire to be "right", "good", and to have approval, completely set the framework for me to be duped.  Luckily my parents also encouraged study and thinking so I was able to finally see the errors, but in GC thinking and study outside of GC approved methods is discouraged.  So kids raised in the movement may never see the truth if they are never allowed to question.

In Join Us (I really recommend watching that), Paul Martin states the same thing.  If obedience is the most important thing you are teaching your kids... WATCH OUT!

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=123646982
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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2010, 07:15:28 am »

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If obedience is the most important thing you are teaching your kids... WATCH OUT!
Very interesting and thought provoking quote.
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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2010, 07:56:00 am »

I should state that that wasn't Paul Martin's quote, I made it sound like that unintentionally!  I was trying to say that Paul Martin talked about obedience and setting your children up to be susceptible to cults.  The statement is mine.  I don't wish to put words in his mouth.  But yes.  I thought that the concept makes a lot of sense, and I found it to be true in my own life.
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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2010, 08:00:07 am »

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The statement is mine.
Even better! What can I say. You're brilliant! Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2010, 09:15:35 am »

Linda, you are too kind. Grin

Here's a big cheesy grin for you!  Love ya, Linda!
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2010, 10:23:36 am »

Comment removed by ALO who started the thread and doesn't want any misunderstandings!

Apologies to anon.
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2010, 10:59:31 am »

Oh, I don't think so!  I don't think anyone in GCM is like that!  I was merely saying that controlling parenting seems to lead to a willingness to submit oneself to authoritarian groups.  I'm certainly not the first to think that!  I know in my PRE GC days, I actually had trouble understanding why bombing abortion clinics was wrong!  I was that prone to extremist thinking!  As I'm peeling the onion, I'm looking for the root issues.  One of my own personal root issues is that authoritarian parenting and black and white thinking contributed to ME seeking out people who would simply tell me what to do!  I learned to shut off my critical thinking when it came to authority. 

I think we can safely say, that while GC has it's problems... terrorism isn't even close to being one of them!  As far as I know, it never has been ever, ever!

Maybe I should take my article down in case people think that I think that!!!   Huh
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