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« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2018, 03:31:11 pm »

I said no such thing. 

Suzanne posted a nasty private message sent to her by Gretchen's mom as an example of all of the harassment and intimidation victims receive.  A friend apparently advised her that "well, it's possible it could have been sent from a fake account."  So Suzanne, not wanting to defame Gretchen's mom in the event she was being impersonated, added a note saying the message could have been from a fake account.  And she said it because, if one of her supporters had impersonated someone to make Mark's supporters look bad, she wanted to be clear that it was wrong and in no way was it helpful.

I edited my comment here on the forum to reflect that addition.  You know, Greentruth the one you accused me of redacting in some sort of attempt to be deceitful.  Remember? 

Most fake accounts have no previous information on them because they are created brand new to harass people.  Gretchen's mom's had posts going back to 2015 or 2014.  So it wasn't a new account.  She also wrote a nasty comment on Tom Lyden's page. If the real mother-in-law of Jeromy was hacked/impersonated, I haven't seen her deny anything.  Not sure if anyone else has? 


So because you saw that Suzanne commented on that and was so astounded that someone would say that, that’s your “proof” that it was a fake account huh?? Without even asking her??  The comment was so offensive she was being gracious in thinking it “may be” a fake account. It wasn’t.  But again, change the direction. And for the record, I don’t know anyone on here who agrees with the things blonde says, time to step off of that topic already. It holds no weight.

#ululating  Grin

I remember a Rebel in a good way saying it was deemed a forged post. What goes on hear or social media cannot be trusted, as anyone can manipulate whatever they want. This is the precise reason this whole jumbled ,accusation filled sham is nothing more than a fruitless effort to smear and attack ECC, from a handful of people who are going to throw themselves on the floor and kick and scream because they didn’t get their way to push their preconceived distorted agenda.
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« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2018, 03:32:16 pm »

BTW, I like #uluating

The forum is helpful in so many ways, including learning new vocabularly  Wink

So because you saw that Suzanne commented on that and was so astounded that someone would say that, that’s your “proof” that it was a fake account huh?? Without even asking her??  The comment was so offensive she was being gracious in thinking it “may be” a fake account. It wasn’t.  But again, change the direction. And for the record, I don’t know anyone on here who agrees with the things blonde says, time to step off of that topic already. It holds no weight.

#ululating  Grin
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« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2018, 03:53:39 pm »

I said no such thing.  

Suzanne posted a nasty private message sent to her by Gretchen's mom as an example of all of the harassment and intimidation victims receive.  A friend apparently advised her that "well, it's possible it could have been sent from a fake account."  So Suzanne, not wanting to defame Gretchen's mom in the event she was being impersonated, added a note saying the message could have been from a fake account.  And she said it because, if one of her supporters had impersonated someone to make Mark's supporters look bad, she wanted to be clear that it was wrong and in no way was it helpful.

I edited my comment here on the forum to reflect that addition.  You know, Greentruth the one you accused me of redacting in some sort of attempt to be deceitful.  Remember?  

Most fake accounts have no previous information on them because they are created brand new to harass people.  Gretchen's mom's had posts going back to 2015 or 2014.  So it wasn't a new account.  She also wrote a nasty comment on Tom Lyden's page. If the real mother-in-law of Jeromy was hacked/impersonated, I haven't seen her deny anything.  Not sure if anyone else has?  


So because you saw that Suzanne commented on that and was so astounded that someone would say that, that’s your “proof” that it was a fake account huh?? Without even asking her??  The comment was so offensive she was being gracious in thinking it “may be” a fake account. It wasn’t.  But again, change the direction. And for the record, I don’t know anyone on here who agrees with the things blonde says, time to step off of that topic already. It holds no weight.

#ululating  Grin

I remember a Rebel in a good way saying it was deemed a forged post. What goes on hear or social media cannot be trusted, as anyone can manipulate whatever they want. This is the precise reason this whole jumbled ,accusation filled sham is nothing more than a fruitless effort to smear and attack ECC, from a handful of people who are going to throw themselves on the floor and kick and scream because they didn’t get their way to push their preconceived distorted agenda.

Gretchen's Mom's real Facebook page has posts all the way back to 2005 at least.  She posts often with pictures of her family and grandbabies.  So whatever fb page you looked at and decided it was truly Gail, Gretchen's mom, then you are terribly mistaken.  Again, another reason why the public social media is a terrible place to discern truth...it is nearly impossible.  There is a second Gail fb page, with zero posts.  A single updated profile picture that says it was updated in 2016.   Anyone could have started this page..  

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« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2018, 04:12:15 pm »

Well, It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know that If you are not “friends” with a person on FB, you only see so much, depending on their privacy settings. Obviously I can’t see every single thing she posts because we are not “friends”. When I asked her about it on Lydens page she immediately deleted her original comment within 5 minutes. Interesting. I have screen shots of my questions to her and the screen shot asking why she deleted her post. (I don’t know how to post pictures on here?) if someone made that horrendous of a comment posing as myself I would do everything in my power to make it absolutely clear that I was hacked and would never say such a thing (condemning someone to hell with a demon emoji) maybe that’s just me? 🤷🏼‍♀️
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« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2018, 04:20:52 pm »

So as I said previously...now is a strange time for people to come and want to know who is on the BOT when previously they did not care. 

Not strange, really. Now is when the investigation is going on, so now is when people have a particular reason to care who will manage the results of the investigation.

I do know who the BOT, but now after several months, I don't remember some of them because they were names of people I don't know.  Maybe because the pastors I asked know me and my heart, and my intentions?  I believe the others on the forum claiming to be members that say they were not told who the BOT are, those pastors showed a level of discernment in not sharing this information with them in light of the events going on. 

So you're a trusted ECC insider of some kind, which is fine, and anyway it's pretty much what I had assumed all along. As for those other ECC members whose hearts are not deemed to be as pure as yours, they're not good enough to be trusted with this information, but they're good enough to cut a check every month which the Mystery BOT will manage without direct accountability to the wage-earning peons. Or that's the impression I get.

And apparently their discernment was accurate, in that these people just want to come on here and speak ill of the church or leaders without showing the patience and wisdom to see what the investigation brings about.  Who can they pastors trust as this time? 

So your fellow church members are supposed to hand over millions of dollars (as a congregation) to an anonymous BOT to manage every year, because the BOT is paranoid that if their identities were known, four or five people might say mean things about them on some obscure forum with only a few dozen regular readers. That's really a valid reason not to be accountable to their members?

Wow. Just wow.
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« Reply #45 on: May 20, 2018, 04:21:42 pm »

GTA, so has Gretchen's mom denied that it was from her own account?

I didn't look back to 2005, just looked quickly to see that it wasn't like the fake posters who had been posting on mine and others' pages who had no info whatsoever.  It looks like she deleted her comment on Tom's page.

And harassment--Jeromy Darling called my old pastor and sent me a private message saying the pastor "had every opportunity to disparage me but didn't"  Seriously?   I say that I believe the (now multiple) women who have accused Mark of inappropriate behavior and Jeromy calls my old pastor for dirt?  Maybe gossip IS the problem you think it is, GTA.   Wink

Maybe you don't consider that harassment, but normal people don't do any of these things (post on stranger's pages, create fake accounts and post on stranger's pages, call old pastors for disparaging information, pm someone telling them "owe it to the old pastor to reconcile" since he didn't slander me).  UNHEALTHY. 

Edited to add:  Creepy.  Unhinged.  People who have nothing to do with GCC messaged me to ask what was up with the unstable guy (Jeromy).  Posting on a private forum with a clearly stated purpose is nothing compared to creating fake FB accounts so you can go to the pages of victim's supporters and write weird things (including another barrage of accusations against Suzanne to "prove a point" that have been deleted.) 
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« Reply #46 on: May 20, 2018, 04:40:03 pm »

One quick add: you can also click on the persons profile who messages you.... (then you can see the things that are “public”. I.e.  all of the pictures of family and grand babies) #ululating 🤭

And Rebel, just wow. I am not shocked at all, but how sick and sad.
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« Reply #47 on: May 20, 2018, 05:01:35 pm »

$4.2 million dollars in mutual funds? What in the world?
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« Reply #48 on: May 20, 2018, 05:03:36 pm »

likely in the 403b retirement plan for the staff across all locations.
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« Reply #49 on: May 20, 2018, 05:08:08 pm »

Evergreen folks, I'd be interested in hearing your arguments for a secret board of trustees and against revealing their names. I assume you contribute financially to your church, which has assets in the $15 million dollar range and receives about $4.5 million in offerings every year. (Source: http://www.evergreenbloomington.com/uploads/Evergreen_Church_Audited_Financial_Statements_2016.pdf) Why are you willing to trust your hard-earned offerings to a board that won't even trust you with their names? This is not a rhetorical question. I would love to hear how you and other ECC members make peace with this in your own-hearts.



The board is not secret....and no one really cared until now.  They have never been "secret".  So does no one think that now is an odd time to be demanding who is on the board, during an active investigation in a time such as this.  A board that would  want zero outside influence into their situation and decision making.  And then you have a forum member that mass emails people, so sure, release their names so they can be added to mass email campaigns by Blonde...Jeromy, Gretchen, MD have been hit so far.  And then Gretchen's mom's fb.  Let's encourage that more.   As I have said before, you will see a list of names of people you have never heard of.  What does this change for you?  My guess is that the reason the board is not printed anywhere would be an oversight in managing a 5 location church, and that someone needs to remember to add to, and change the website every 3 years when board members change.   Additionally financial audits are available to the public, on the websites.  What do you think they are hiding?? 
This is the last real substantive argument a ECC supporter has made on this thread against demanding transparency, so I'd like to address it.

1. This is a VERY relevant time to know who is on the Board of Trustees. Our church is in crisis - to not know who God has chosen to lead us through this crisis is outlandish.
2. Being on the board is a "big boy/big girl" job - if these people can't take some unpleasant emails they might get, perhaps they are NOT the right people for the job.
3. It IS secret if they won't tell when asked by a church member who is on the board, and I have asked to say it is not secret is a lie, but send me or post their names and I'll apologize for that if it turns out to not be true.
4. I work in the financial services industry - every public company is REQUIRED to disclose who is on it's Board.  Amazing that as a church we are less transparent than secular, Godless companies (at least ECC is less transparent - most NORMAL churches are transparent). 
5. Yes, it's nice that we have financial statements, those, along with the character of those on the board would be reassuring. Without knowing the character of who is on the board, I would  not trust financial statements alone.

Finally, my biggest concern is that the Board itself is actually not the ones deciding to remain anonymous, rather, I think it's Jim, Lynn and the Pastors making this decision which shows how little autonomy the Board really has.  I urge any ECC member who is "watching" to demand transparency from our church..Here's a thought - maybe an email to Jim and Lynn and CC every ECC attender you have an email address for demanding transparency. They should be proud of their answer and stand by it, whatever it is.
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« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2018, 05:16:27 pm »

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Blonde was one of the original forum members who helped get it where it is today,
This is not true. Blonde was no more involved in the forum than you are.


That also is not true. I traced blonde back long before I ever knew this place existed, and blonde was busted here for sending hundreds of terrible emails.  I could say more about blonde and his time of deviation before hooking up with this site, but that to is fruitless.
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« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2018, 05:18:50 pm »

Blonde did not start this forum.
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« Reply #52 on: May 20, 2018, 05:23:30 pm »

Blonde did not start this forum.

Never said he did, but he was apart of the forum in the early part of the so called come back from what I can see
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« Reply #53 on: May 20, 2018, 05:25:57 pm »

I've been a member here for 3-4  years and haven't seen many posts from Blonde before the ECC people showed up... I honestly can't remember reading any posts by him/her before now. I DO remember reading some really encouraging things from Janet, Linda, Huldah, Rebel, as well as many testimonies from other who left. I've been re-reading some posts in the healing forum this week, it's been nice ❤
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« Reply #54 on: May 20, 2018, 05:26:06 pm »

Ah yes, because tracing blonde’s steps would be very productive in this conversation. I’m starting to trace yours greentruth! But I suppose that would also be fruitless at this time.

ShineTheLight, THANK YOU!!
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« Reply #55 on: May 20, 2018, 05:30:54 pm »

Keep on track with this thread-
It is not about Blonde.
Blonde has NOTHING to do with the investigation.
This thread is about the ECC Board of trustees.  The Pastor appointed board of trustee's.
Members not only do not vote for the members, they also do not have the right to know who they are??
It is about the ECC Board of Trustees and the question is- will they be transparent with the investigator's report?

Is this God honoring stewardship of God's money?   Evergreen members- you have a vote with your tithe and your feet.
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« Reply #56 on: May 20, 2018, 05:37:09 pm »

Ah yes, because tracing blonde’s steps would be very productive in this conversation. I’m starting to trace yours greentruth! But I suppose that would also be fruitless at this time.

ShineTheLight, THANK YOU!!

That’s awesome, and when did I crest my status here? End of March, beginning of April? Tell me, please.

The bottom line here is you and the few who think you can force your will on ECC members is futile at best. Anyone with any common sense knows why this issue with Suzanne has changed a few dynamics until it’s settled. Why don’t you all hold onto your hat for a few more weeks and see what the results and consequences are before once again and again assuming what gives you attention. I’m sure we will share a few thoughts then, or not.
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« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2018, 05:46:26 pm »

Keep on track with this thread-
It is not about Blonde.
Blonde has NOTHING to do with the investigation.
This thread is about the ECC Board of trustees.  The Pastor appointed board of trustee's.
Members not only do not vote for the members, they also do not have the right to know who they are??
It is about the ECC Board of Trustees and the question is- will they be transparent with the investigator's report?

Is this God honoring stewardship of God's money?   Evergreen members- you have a vote with your tithe and your feet.

Heidi.  Your better than this. Your a good person who just wants to see the total truth of all this. I know who the bot is from the location I used to go to five years ago. Until the results AND consequences are revealed it just doesn’t matter.  Do you think they won’t be known by any member when there isn’t concern over what someone like blonde could do? Don’t get pulled into this narrative of deception.
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« Reply #58 on: May 20, 2018, 05:46:50 pm »

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Never said he did, but he was apart of the forum in the early part of the so called come back from what I can see

Blonde may post here, but we also have a large number of Mark Darling's family members posting here as well. In some ways this is an official communications forum for the Darling family members who are still allowed to speak and not under investigation for misconduct. I'm glad so many of Marl Darling's family members feel comfortable posting here. The Darling family endorsement of this forum is very heartening, especially for those of us taught at GC that pastors are the authority and voice of God in your life. Many of the posts on this forum should be treated as the very Words of God and you should not hesitate to apply them to your life.

Peace be unto you all, brothers and sisters.
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« Reply #59 on: May 20, 2018, 05:58:41 pm »

I’m beginning to think some here know more than they are saying as far as what facts or evidence has been shown, as Linda made stipulation that there will be no physical evidence, which I thought was claimed going into the ch 9 report. So this may be the reasoning behind this all of a sudden necessity to know who is on the bot. Like maybe it’s being assumed that some manipulation of them could be accomplished?

Ok, see how easy it is to start a narrative!  This is the exact way some here manipulate this type of thread. All caterwauling, or ululating
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