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[Angry]

Nate -

I reiterate a big Thank You for trying to change the group from the inside and your help in keeping Wiki accurate (or was that Clone?).

We all have agreed to one extent or another that some gc* locations are worse than others.  That being said, the majority of us posters have been hurt in different manners by the group.

Some of us hurt.

Some of us REALLY hurt.

Some of us feel dead religiously.

When I urge others to be cautious and stay away from gc*, I do it in an effort to protect the innocent and/or naive people from getting caught up in a group like this.  If I can prevent even ONE person from experiencing the pain my family went through, then Jesus would be proud and thankful.  The meek and naive need guidance.  To take advantage of them is immoral.

I'm a simpleton Nate.  I'm from a small city.  I was naive and saw the words "christian", "church", and "ministry" on the front of a building and felt we'd be okay.  I trusted blindly.  What a mistake.  If only there was a readily accessible resource back then to point out the warning signs of what a cult entails and how they entrap people - maybe we could have made a more wise decision.

The news is running rampant with reports of the growing problem in the mortgage industry.  People facing foreclosure are screaming "..if only someone would have warned me about adjustable rates...."

The late 30's and early 40's saw Germany enacting racial cleansing against the Jews.  The Jews and the Poles screamed "....if only someone would have warned us...."

Converts from Islam renounce their religion after attending madrasses and learning the truth about the "religion of peace"  their mantra?  "....if only someone would have warned me...."

When a problem is detected, warning people of danger is the right thing to do.

Is there a perfect way to caution people about dangerous situations? No.

Should we picket in front of the churches?  Should we e-mail the congregations?  Should we snail mail the leaders?  Do we take out public notices in the local papers?  Do we sit idly by because "change is slow"?  Do we open healing wellness centers for people exiting the group?  Do we have a web-site available for people to seek out the flip-side of gc*'s propaganda?

We don't know what to do.  We are all trying our best to improve a group with a checkered past of admitted short comings and wrong doings.

Did Clone do the right thing?  I don't know.  Depends what he said or who he contacted (using your name was a no-no).  Just as you are trying to change the group, so was Clone, just in different ways.

Does Angry do the right thing when he encourages people to stay away from this group?  Angry is trying to warn people that things aren't always what they seem.

Hang in there Nate and keep trying to clean up the organization from the inside.  We appreciate your attempts.  Please understand our attempts as another method to help people be careful around this group.

Angry

[The Clone]

The Clone's ID was hacked.

[The Clone]

P.S. The Clone 316 is REALLY a group from Evergreen Community Church that is trying to change it from within.  So in some decent way, we're just like Nate, a bit more clandestine, though.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clandestine_operation

Black-op stuff.  Some are or near high leadership levels at all sites in Minnesota.  We can do some name dropping if need be.

-The Clone 316

[The Clone]

The truth is out now about us.  Pray for us Linda, Reba and others.

-The Clone 316

[Linda]

The truth is out now about us. Pray for us Linda, Reba and others.

Just to clarify, by this statement you are asking me, Reba, and others to pray for you.

You are not saying that "Linda, Reba, and others" are part of some group called "The Clone 316".

I have no idea what any of this is about and am totally confused.

[puff of purple smoke]

The Clone's ID was hacked.

LOL.

I'm sorry but I find this hard to believe. Come on. Someone hacked your account and decided to post under your name on the de-comm forums? And you somehow got your account back?  :roll:

[nateswinton]

yea, he just sent me a silly PM, too.  and he's using another pic of me from the Rock's flickr group.

what year is this?  your computer got hacked?  yes, i can see it now, mark darling himself is an elite hacker, leading his own crew of hackers, spies and assassins.  he's finally brought down the clone.

all of you de-comm folks should be looking over your shoulders now

gimme a break.

[AgathaL'Orange]

Since Clone's come clean on who "they" are, I'll come clean too.

I am Danny Devito.

[randomous]

Yeah, I guess it's my turn.... I'm George W. Bush.  Sometimes, I enjoy taking time out of my hectic schedule ruling the world to post on this forum.  

I don't think anybody's falling for your ruse (to put it politely) Mr. Stauffacher. Here is where you identify yourself with the clone316 gmail address.  http://gcmwarning.com:8080/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=363

Also on th old forum you gave out your real name, Jason Stauffacher.  Here's some job info http://www.razorresume.com/5.html  and here's an article you wrote so we can all finally see your picture!  http://www.metrosacramentojobs.com/article.asp?pagemode=1&aid=1749  Miscellaneous other info: http://www.blogger.com/profile/11564629.

So, no need to make up stories.  Although, I can understand in the resume writing business it's sometimes beneficial to stretch the truth.  It just makes it all the more embarrassing when you get caught in a bold-faced lie.  Give it up.

[nateswinton]

I am Danny Devito.

I had a feeling, but I was too embarrassed to ask.  Your writing style gave you away

[puff of purple smoke]

Joking aside... Clone, I don't think Nate would accuse you like this unless he was pretty sure what he was saying was true, and it really seems like you were the one emailing GC people and possibly the one behind the mean-spirited (profanity-laden) Mark Darling blog that used to exist? Yes?

I really don't want this to scare you away from the forums.

But.. I would really like to to know: what happened between you and Mark Darling, and GC? Why you would want to keep sending emails to GC staffers, what you think it is going to change?

I know you're still reading this forum because your picture changed again. I really would like to hear where your coming from on all this rather than keep guessing.

[AgathaL'Orange]

I would like to know too.  What happened to you?

[The Clone]

Clone is not an adult, he is a copy of all the GC ideals into one robot.

"I am a machine."
        -T1000

[Angry]

...it would be cool to be a robot.....

Angry robot smash cult
Angry robot smash cult
Angry robot smash cult

Angry

[randomous]

Jason, the 'Stauffinator"

[G_Prince]

Looks like I missed all the drama!

I was actually going to post on this thread topic. For a while now, I've been talking with a new GCM burnout who is going through the usual trauma. The things he/she was telling me were simply infuriating. Mostly it came down to GCM controlling you personal life. I really mean controlling. You couldn't go certain places, you were closely monitored and your personal life was up for open discussion. I can't get into specifics , but I will be vague. There were the usual bi-weekly accountability times were questions such as "how many times did you sexually fall this week" were demanded. Even worse, people's lives were closely monitred, and any activity deemed "inappropriate" resulted in sharp rebukes, shunning, and public humiliation.

When I heard all of this from my friend I was shocked. Frankly it sounded far worse than anything I had experienced in GCM. I was also surprised that such activity was still happening. I have heard so much about how GCM is improving, and since I haven't been involved for years I trusted that perhaps it WAS gradually changing for the better. However, my friend's experiance really made me question if GCM is actually going backward. The stories were really awful, I wish I could go into more details. I am frankly outraged.

[G_Prince]

GCM cannot understand the irreparable damage they do when they batter into peoples personal lives. They really think it is a good thing, and that they are actually helping. Why can't they see the trail of destructing they are leaving behind? Why can't they act out of humility and love rather than ordering people about like drones?  

I'm sure I will hear it from the pro-GCM people. Nate I'm sure this isn't happening in your branch your student group. But it is happening all the same. Even though you are trying hard (and so are we), I feel like little can be done to stop it.

I also reject the idea that while bad things can happen, GCM is actually doing a lot of good. Really, I couldn't give a s***. GCM could be saving the world and it still would be no excuse to destroy one person's life like this. It shouldn't happen in any church, anywhere, period. Completely unacceptable behavior.

[Linda]

This post reminds me of a small group we were in about 7 years ago. (The leaders were with family in Seattle, so I don't  think they ever knew this happened.) But, the apprentices had us play a game. I forget the name of it, but it was like the Newlywed Game.

So, we all gathered together and the first question was, "What is your wife's favorite ice cream flavor?' No problem. Next question, "When it comes to sex, who initiates?"

Hello? Tell me whose business that is? Tell me what discernment someone would have who would suggest playing a game that asked that question? Tell me who would, in front of a group, answer that question with anything other than, "This is not an appropriate question. Isn't it snack time?" Tell me why I ever went back to that small group?!

It was at that point that I decided I really hate small groups! Or, maybe it was when in a different small group on one of our ladies nights, we stripped the wallpaper from our small group leader's bathroom!  :lol:

[AgathaL'Orange]

Gene, Linda...

Wow.  And yet, I am not surprised either.  Why is it that they have such strict non-dating practices... but then after marriage- hey, dish us all the private details of your life!  I guess it's two sides of the same coins-- invasive attention to a member's personal life.

I too remember extremely inappropriate things that I wish I would have walked out on.  But I am a non-confrontational person, and I didn't want to be rude.  However, I should have spoken up.

[G_Prince]

They are very controlling about sex. Before you are married they want to make sure you aren't getting any or even thinking about getting any. But then afterwards when sex is approved, they want to know, "how much" "how often" "who initiates" etc. What's the deal?