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Faith
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« on: April 19, 2018, 04:41:49 pm »

I have a genuine question for Evergreen's supporters: what is your aim for being on this forum? Do you think you will flip opinions? Or are you interested in the debate?

These conversations seem to be very circular as of late and I'm curious as to what you hope to accomplish (no sarcasm or anything, I really do mean this)
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2018, 07:12:22 pm »

This is a public forum, and I don't want to pretend these accusations are unanswered.
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2018, 08:52:51 pm »

I have a genuine question for Evergreen's supporters: what is your aim for being on this forum? Do you think you will flip opinions? Or are you interested in the debate?

These conversations seem to be very circular as of late and I'm curious as to what you hope to accomplish (no sarcasm or anything, I really do mean this)

I received the below private message today, and this is why I am here.

GTA,

I'm a current GCC attender that started paying attention to this forum while trying to get an understanding of the "other side" of the Mark Darling accusations.
 
Lately I waiver back and forth between never wanting to come back to this forum and being unable to look away.  I was particularly disturbed when the GCLI Authority paper was brought out and snippets taken out of context to construct that ridiculous straw man.  It was almost enough for me to create an account and start posting.  It's so clear to me that this forum is rooted in bitterness and so much of it grieves the Holy Spirit as so-called Christians are working so actively against the bride of Christ.

I suspect there is a number of lurkers here like myself that are hanging around while the situation with Mark is still pending, so I wanted to give you my sincere thanks for involving yourself here.

I'll try and keep myself from making it this message much longer, but I wanted you to know that your voice is refreshing in such a barren place!
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HughHoney
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2018, 08:55:40 pm »

Your first fanmail!? How exciting!
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Greentruth
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2018, 04:58:05 am »

GTA, I’m not a member of ECC at this point as I moved away from the area a few years back. I heard about all this through a couple friends still attending on FB, as anyone who is connected to most anyone on FB got the posts from Suzanne. Anyone who looks at this form with any common sense can see the bitterness and discord that this form is rooted in. Thank you for exposing the truths with a handful of others.my prayers that the truths are exposed will continue
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2018, 05:28:06 am »

GTA, I’m not a member of ECC at this point as I moved away from the area a few years back. I heard about all this through a couple friends still attending on FB, as anyone who is connected to most anyone on FB got the posts from Suzanne. Anyone who looks at this form with any common sense can see the bitterness and discord that this form is rooted in. Thank you for exposing the truths with a handful of others.my prayers that the truths are exposed will continue

Greentruth

Your voice has been a nice addition to this site, thank you for taking so much of your personal time to post some great wisdom and truths!!

GTA
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2018, 07:23:26 am »

I have a genuine question for Evergreen's supporters: what is your aim for being on this forum? Do you think you will flip opinions? Or are you interested in the debate?

These conversations seem to be very circular as of late and I'm curious as to what you hope to accomplish (no sarcasm or anything, I really do mean this)

Hi Faith, Smiley

I was a lurker on this site for about 10 years before I decided to engage. And when I finally flipped the switch and decided to engage, what was my aim? Well, I think like everyone else I was hoping that I could make a difference. I love my church so much, warts and all. I looked at the accusations over the years and saw no "deal breakers", you know what I mean? And I thought that maybe my story would encourage others to rethink their accusations against Evergreen. That it just aint the GC it used to be*.

I think I should have seen that when I got exactly zero replies from any member of the GC-warning community on my thread (which, by the way, had just as many views as any other thread) that they weren't really interested in hearing positive stories.  Cry

After that I posted a couple of times when I saw an opportunity to clarify facts on the MD investigation, but not much else.  Undecided

At this point I'm just kind of sad and annoyed. I'm sad for everyone that posts hundreds of posts on internet forums like it's their second life or something. And I'm annoyed at myself for continuing to come here and lurk, like a dog that returns to its own vomit. It's like a train wreck--I seem unable to look away.  Shocked Embarrassed

Most of all I feel sad for Mark and Kathy Darling Cry. I don't know Suzanne at all. I don't know her story or what, if anything, is true or false or sincere or a lie or anything else. But ever since January I know that Suzanne has become a celebrity in her circle--getting rounds of applause and tons of attention while Mark and Kathy are dying in their homes, alone, sick, and isolated. I don't know Mark and Kathy very well, but I know them well enough to feel sorry for them. I don't feel sorry for Suzanne. Embarrassed I kind of wish I did feel sorry for her, but I don't know how.

I'm convinced I won't change anyone's minds on this forum, or really any forum devoted to pushing an agenda. People don't register to an internet forum because they want their minds changed. I know that's not why I registered. If anything I've found myself pushed further into my own ideological corner. It doesn't feel healthy for me.

* http://forum.gcmwarning.com/general-discussion/it-just-aint-the-gc-it-used-to-be/
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2018, 08:09:43 am »

LuisCamachoIII,

Thank you for your honest and thoughtful response to Faith. While I do not have an opinion about the ECC conflict because I do not attend ECC; I share many of the same feelings, thoughts, reasons and experiences you stated in your post about this forum. I just wanted to respond to you to say I hear you and I am thankful for posts like these.

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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2018, 09:06:44 am »

Luis and Peace, I think you have both conducted yourselves very respectfully on here.  And I have not engaged as much because a. I think at the time you were asking some questions I was travelling and had limited time to engage, and b. the good things about your churches is not what has hurt people.  So I am less compelled to discuss something that isn't hurting people.  It's kind of like a triage thing, if that makes sense.  Harmful teachings and practices is what needs to be addressed, IMO.  But I apologize for not engaging more.

I am curious if you read the following thread and if you have any thoughts about it?  Do you agree that GCC should take any of these actions?  Do you think that by not doing so is problematic?  This is what people say would restore the credibility of the entire movement.

http://forum.gcmwarning.com/general-discussion/wish-list/
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2018, 09:57:10 am »

I have read the thread and I don't disagree that some of those things would be helpful. However, I sincerely do not believe any amount of effort in making things "right" would be good enough for some people on this forum for the following reasons:

1. Some forum users appear to believe GCx is a cult. Thoughtful and productive dialogue will never take place if two parties are approaching a conversation from these completely incompatible belief systems.
 
2. Public apologies (and corrections) are hard. What platform should be used? Website, direct mail, phone calls, social media? Who should it come from? When and where should it take place? What was the tone of the apology? Who signed the apology? How many people received the apology? What is the plan for followup after the apology? Was the apology transparent enough? Was the apology humble enough? How was the theology of the apology? Did the apology seem heartfelt?....I believe ALL of these details would be so picked apart on this forum that any efforts at a public apology would be futile. I believe this is why some people have given up hope.

3. I have stated since the beginning of my posting that I think the issues on this forum are individual rather than systemic. I think A LOT of good would come from people sitting down, meeting face-to-face and working these things out in person even if it is to say "Let's agree to disagree." I have been involved in several conflicts that have been posted about on this forum over the years, and I am thankful that I was able to reach out to people privately and work through things.



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