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Linda
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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2018, 10:15:22 am »

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This thread and FeministRebel's FB post are quite illustrative of her world-view as well as the views of those who are supporting her and are frequent posters on this forum. Wow. Evolution, Global Warming, Feminism, I mean who doesn't want their church focused on these Biblical essentials.

For the record, I am a pro-life, complementation, who does not believe in evolution and voted for Donald Trump.

Regular posters on this forum don't all agree on everything, but one thing we do agree on is that there are some unbiblical beliefs and practices happening in GCx churches, people have been harmed by these beliefs and practices, and people should be warned about them.
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« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2018, 10:26:22 am »

This thread and FeministRebel's FB post are quite illustrative of her world-view as well as the views of those who are supporting her and are frequent posters on this forum. Wow. Evolution, Global Warming, Feminism, I mean who doesn't want their church focused on these Biblical essentials.

It's important for prospective attendees to know that if they believe in science and gender equality they will be in the minority at this church. I think that was the intent of the FB comment.
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« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2018, 11:05:35 am »

GodisFaithful, thanks for sharing.  I do believe and live by the thought that as much as and whenever possible, we should approach one another, have conversations, and seek to understand. I think this is the kind of reconciliation that God calls us to and is a testimony to him when it happens.  However, Matthew 18 offers wisdom and is a great example, but not the only biblical example for dealing with conflict.  In GCC, I believe Matt 18 is used to control because of unequal power.  When people have authority, they are not necessarily a "brother" being approached by another "brother." 

I would be truly interested if anyone had a conflict with a pastor (as in they were at a standstill and couldn't move past it) and the next level of leadership became involved and said that the member was in the right. 

I think having a high regard for Scripture does not negate living by the Spirit and applying wisdom.  If the Spirit nudged me to sit down with a man who thinks I am genetically inferior, I would be open to that. 


I was just looking at Matthew 18.

This is way off the thread, but I wanted to respond to Rebel.

I'm not one to take God's word lightly and say that I will only obey if I think it is going to work. It is interesting that Jesus mentions taking the problem to the "church" before the church was established. I am just going to venture to say the the church that Jesus was talking about is established on plenty of other teachings about the church. It would be a healthy church, where the leaders are humble servant leaders and do not abuse their position of power and authority.

I had a situation years ago in a church where we only stayed three years (had some great times with families there but the structure turned out to be a disaster.) Anyway, the pastor and his mother sort of ran the church. And she stopped talking to me because we made a decision about our daughter that she did not agree with. I knew it would get worse if I talked to this lady, and I knew that talking to the pastor would also be a disaster. I did not take it likely that I did not try to reconcile, but Matthew 18 seemed out of the question in this dysfunctional system and we quietly left, didn't say anything negative when we left. Soon after, the lady had a falling out with her son, the pastor, and she left the church. I knew that the issue was actually something different than me. (This church no longer exists. The pastor never wanted any accountability.)

Matthew 18 can work to resolve conflicts when pastors are humble, when the ground is level at the foot of the cross. 
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« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2018, 11:41:12 am »

G-Prince,

Christians can "believe in science" and be creationists. Science is observable. A lot of scientists who do not believe in God have problems with the theory of evolution and the big bang idea. No one was there to see it (except for God, but if you don't believe in God I guess you don't believe He was there either.) The theory of evolution has some huge glaring gaping holes, missing links of gigantic proportions.

Just wanted to say that you can most certainly "believe in science" and not believe the theory of evolution.
 
In the context of GCx, it is how these beliefs are handled that is telling. Do GCx churches attempt to persuade or attempt to draw a line and ridicule one who does not believe this way? Mango's sneering comment might illustrate how people in GCx are treated when they do not toe the line of acceptable beliefs.
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« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2018, 12:21:25 pm »

G-Prince,

Christians can "believe in science" and be creationists. Science is observable. A lot of scientists who do not believe in God have problems with the theory of evolution and the big bang idea. No one was there to see it (except for God, but if you don't believe in God I guess you don't believe He was there either.) The theory of evolution has some huge glaring gaping holes, missing links of gigantic proportions.

Just wanted to say that you can most certainly "believe in science" and not believe the theory of evolution.
 
In the context of GCx, it is how these beliefs are handled that is telling. Do GCx churches attempt to persuade or attempt to draw a line and ridicule one who does not believe this way? Mango's sneering comment might illustrate how people in GCx are treated when they do not toe the line of acceptable beliefs.

Yes, although I think that would classify as a "selective" belief in science. But there is no point in having a debate about that here. Bigger picture, I agree. I don't think a church has much business advocating particular views on science and dismissing those who think differently.
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« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2018, 06:54:51 pm »

A couple posters have mentioned Mathew 18.  The verses mention to confront with a witness.  One thing I've observed is that many seem to go with the pastor and his witness.  I would highly recommend when confronting a GCC pastor to bring along your own witness.  I believe that is keeping in the true spirit of what God is calling us.
There's nothing to be gained or witnessed by having the pastors witness rather than your own when you have a meeting.
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