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« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2018, 07:00:49 pm »


I suggest no one respond to zeal4god = this is seriously creepy and disgusting.  And people wonder why we question the people on this forums sanity.  Ish

What's creepy is your father-in-law asking people about the intimate details of the sex lives. That's creepy.
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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2018, 07:05:58 pm »

Do you guys honestly only read half what of what I'm writing?? Let me quote myself:

I know this from available evidence NOT BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATOR TOLD ME SO.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTACT WHATSOEVER WITH THE INVESTIGATOR AND LIKELY WON'T EVEN BE INTERVIEWED AS EYEWITNESSES

Is. That. Clear. Enough. For. Everyone?

I KNOW no names have been submitted because the evidence points exclusively to Suzanne making all of the victims up. I'm not GUESSING. Every single inch of evidence I've presented points exclusively to a calculated hit job that's only convinced a tiny remnant of humans who somehow have managed to STEAL my father's digital reputation and destroy it.

Jeromy, you are unhinged. Plain and simple. You are doing your family more harm than good.


STEALING MY FATHER'S EMAIL HANDLE TO POST ON THIS WEBSITE IS THE DEFINITION OF TROLLING. It's the #1 reason no one will believe what you're posting and the #1 reason I won't take any advice from you.

Nope, not stealing anything. I've used this handle for years. And it's about time you learned how to use the CAPS LOCK key. I don't think you know the meaning of it.

Baby - saw you took a screenshot of this creep.  Let's move on.  We know he will try to create another user name even though we stop responding to him.  This forum is clearly not a safe place and more than 1 stalker on here leads me to believe this is a very dark place. 


For years huh? Cause I just clicked on your username and it shows you registered a few hours ago:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kad2uriu3bmfxqf/Screen%20Shot%202018-03-17%20at%208.55.06%20PM.png?dl=0
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« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2018, 07:19:24 pm »

Do you guys honestly only read half what of what I'm writing?? Let me quote myself:

I know this from available evidence NOT BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATOR TOLD ME SO.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTACT WHATSOEVER WITH THE INVESTIGATOR AND LIKELY WON'T EVEN BE INTERVIEWED AS EYEWITNESSES

Is. That. Clear. Enough. For. Everyone?

I KNOW no names have been submitted because the evidence points exclusively to Suzanne making all of the victims up. I'm not GUESSING. Every single inch of evidence I've presented points exclusively to a calculated hit job that's only convinced a tiny remnant of humans who somehow have managed to STEAL my father's digital reputation and destroy it.

Jeromy, you are unhinged. Plain and simple. You are doing your family more harm than good.


STEALING MY FATHER'S EMAIL HANDLE TO POST ON THIS WEBSITE IS THE DEFINITION OF TROLLING. It's the #1 reason no one will believe what you're posting and the #1 reason I won't take any advice from you.

Nope, not stealing anything. I've used this handle for years. And it's about time you learned how to use the CAPS LOCK key. I don't think you know the meaning of it.

Baby - saw you took a screenshot of this creep.  Let's move on.  We know he will try to create another user name even though we stop responding to him.  This forum is clearly not a safe place and more than 1 stalker on here leads me to believe this is a very dark place. 


For years huh? Cause I just clicked on your username and it shows you registered a few hours ago:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kad2uriu3bmfxqf/Screen%20Shot%202018-03-17%20at%208.55.06%20PM.png?dl=0

Yep, everyone has to register some time.
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« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2018, 07:24:57 pm »

Maybe zeal4god just started using this forum like you have just started, but has been using the handle for many years outside this forum. MD is not the only one zealous for God. Just a thought.
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« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2018, 07:26:54 pm »

Maybe zeal4god just started using this forum like you have just started, but has been using the handle for many years outside this forum. MD is not the only one zealous for God. Just a thought.

Yes. Thank you.
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« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2018, 07:29:40 pm »

Seriously? In a thread ABOUT my father, someone uses the email address handle that my dad has had for like 18 years? You must think I'm incredibly stupid.

Unfortunately, zeal4god on this forum is [Removed]. [Removed], you forgot to hide your email address on your user profile (which I conveniently screengrabbed) -
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Here's [Removed] LinkedIn profile

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Note the [Removed] use in both instances. And i seriously hope you're not the [removed] referred to on this horrific website:

[Removed by an administrator]

"I've banned whole email domains (including *@hotmail.com and *@gmail.com!) and whole IP blocks, but they just keep coming. They're posting faster than [Removed] and I can delete them, so we're going to need some more effective strategies."

I'm beyond disappointed in you brother.
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« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2018, 07:35:26 pm »

That is some serious trolling right there. Aaaaand I've been logged in on this site for 9 hours total. Later.
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« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2018, 07:37:14 pm »

Maybe zeal4god just started using this forum like you have just started, but has been using the handle for many years outside this forum. MD is not the only one zealous for God. Just a thought.

Yes. Thank you.

[Removed] and [Removed], this has gotten out of control.  You were our Fit to be Tied leaders at Evergreen.  You cannot imagine the pain you are causing our family.  This makes me ill.  
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« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2018, 07:45:53 pm »

Maybe zeal4god just started using this forum like you have just started, but has been using the handle for many years outside this forum. MD is not the only one zealous for God. Just a thought.

Yes. Thank you.

[Removed] and [Removed], this has gotten out of control.  You were our Fit to be Tied leaders at Evergreen.  You cannot imagine the pain you are causing our family.  This makes me ill.  

Likewise.
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« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2018, 08:13:45 pm »

Seriously? In a thread ABOUT my father, someone uses the email address handle that my dad has had for like 18 years? You must think I'm incredibly stupid.

Unfortunately, zeal4god on this forum is [Removed]. [Removed], you forgot to hide your email address on your user profile (which I conveniently screengrabbed) -
[Removed by an administrator]

Here's [Removed] LinkedIn profile

[Removed by an administrator]

Note the [Removed] use in both instances. And i seriously hope you're not the [removed] referred to on this horrific website:

[Removed by an administrator]

"I've banned whole email domains (including *@hotmail.com and *@gmail.com!) and whole IP blocks, but they just keep coming. They're posting faster than [Removed] and I can delete them, so we're going to need some more effective strategies."

I'm beyond disappointed in you brother.

Well, the email and the LinkedIn are right, but I’ve never posted on socialdeviency. Just like your dad and I have both used zeal4god, more than one person has used [Removed].
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« Reply #30 on: March 17, 2018, 08:49:35 pm »

Dear [Removed] and [Removed]- Earlier this week I was just watching the  video clip you have on your page [Removed] from your small group days on Youtube. You were the example that we all desired to be as believers in Jesus Christ.  We trusted and respected you as brother and sisters in Christ.  I am sorry something has happened and it scares me!!!  I hope you are both doing well and have the support you need during this time.  You obviously have something very personal going on with Mark Darling and EC.  It is not healthy and it is a bitterness that is grown into hate.  The Darling Family may not be fully blameless, but I think they have enough going on besides stuff like this.  You were and hope are still drawing strength and guidance for the Good Word and Holy Spirit.  [Removed] I honestly was hoping that you were going to have a different response than "likewise".  I will be praying for you [Removed] and [Removed] during this time and for the situation as a whole. It is difficult for all involved.  Please reach out to someone if you can and we need you dear Brother and Sister-  love you both JNP
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« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2018, 12:35:34 pm »

[Removed]...wow dude. Really?!

Fit to be tied  Cry
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« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2018, 09:58:33 am »

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Fit to be tied  Cry

Is this standard operating procedure with ECC/GC? No grace? An ECC defender rebukes someone 8 hours after a heartfelt apology.

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I would like to make a public apology to the Darling family for my comments on this forum last night. While I stand by the veracity of any claims I made, how I went about it was uncalled for. My comments were insensitive and, at times, snarky, which only caused more pain for the Darlings in what is already a painful situation. For this I am truly sorry and humbly ask for your forgiveness.

I was never planning to post on this forum. I let my frustration get the better of me; I should have known better. When I set up the account, I didn't even think twice about the username, because it is one of my go-to names. Here again, I should have thought it through and seen how that would be like pouring salt on a wound. Again, I'm very sorry.

I have no plans to ever post on this forum again. For what it's worth, please know that I have been and will continue to pray for you, the Darling family. This whole situation grieves me. I do not hate your father. I do not hate any of you. I really only want the truth to come out so that the healing can begin for everyone.

Crushed, but hopeful.
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« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2018, 10:56:40 am »

For the record, his apology was on another thread which I didn't see until much later.
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« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2018, 05:39:21 pm »

This thread contained a violation of forum rule #3, which is:

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3. Respect the right to anonymity. Do not exert pressure on others to name real life names, or identify which specific GC church they attended. Many still have relationships with those in GC churches and are reluctant to jeopardize those by revealing their identity. Others fear possible harassment or other repercussions, and simply don't want to deal with it. Do not attempt to reveal the identity of another poster who does not want their identity revealed.

As such, I have removed all of the names that were revealed in violation of this rule.
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« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2018, 06:25:35 pm »

Thank you, Puff.
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« Reply #36 on: April 07, 2018, 11:09:02 am »

Well, this thread took a weird turn but I thought this article was relevant to the concept of "independent investigations."

https://religionnews.com/2015/10/16/are-abuse-survivors-best-served-when-institutions-investigate-themselves/

From article:  "This is often accomplished by announcing that the institution will launch an “independent” investigation. The organization proceeds to hire a private investigative group or law firm to investigate the matter with the hope that this process will calm everyone down and eventually turn off the spotlight. Because the motivation for this process can be based upon institutional self-preservation, many investigations labeled as “independent” are nothing more than “internal” investigations in disguise. An internal investigation allows the institution being investigated to stay in the driver’s seat, while an independent investigation requires that they get into the backseat with everyone else."

 "Disguising an internal investigation as independent ultimately exploits and hurts abuse survivors who are told they are engaging in a particular type of process only to learn when it’s too late that they have unwittingly participated in something that will be used to protect the institution."

So let's look at the 4 elements identified in the article and ask who, in the case of Evergreen, is in the driver's seat.  It's Evergreen, in each aspect.  NOT an independent investigation.

Control of the investigator:
Control of the process:
Control of the findings:
Control of the final report:
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« Reply #37 on: April 07, 2018, 11:22:54 am »

So let's look at the 4 elements identified in the article and ask who, in the case of Evergreen, is in the driver's seat.  It's Evergreen, in each aspect.  NOT an independent investigation.

Control of the investigator:
Control of the process:
Control of the findings:
Control of the final report:

Excellent insights, Rebel.

Much has already been made of Joan Harris's legal obligations to her client, the Evergreen BOT, but there are two points I would like to add.

First, the BOT itself can't be considered neutral, even if there are no pastors on the board. Under Minnesota law, the BOT has a legal, fiduciary repsonsibility to put the interests of the organization (Evergreen) ahead of all other considerations. The BOT cannot by law act independently of Evergreen's best interests.

Second, and because apparently I just can't resist beating a dead horse, I'd like to point to this comment on Wartburg Watch about the legal obligations of Evergreen's attorney, written by a user with the moniker Law Prof in regard to the Willow Creek investigation:

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It’s all the same, you represent your client, the one who pays you. The information your client gives you, in almost all cases, is subject to attorney-client privilege, you must be a zealous advocate for the one footing the bill or very bad things can happen to you, such as malpractice claims or ethics sanctions or even disbarment.

So this talk of an independent investigation is either an outright lie or is an example of shocking ignorance on the part of Willow Creek leadership.

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The entire comment can be found here: http://thewartburgwatch.com/2018/04/04/did-willow-creek-community-church-really-have-an-independent-investigation/#comment-364259.
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« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2018, 11:30:41 am »

I just noticed that Law Prof made an additional interesting comment over at WW:

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...I’d be perturbed at my work on behalf of a large 501(c)(3) being mischaracterized as disinterested or independent. Does anyone know if they ever used the word “independent”? If so, I’d be jumping all over them right now were I [their attorney] and tell them to release another statement indicating clearly that an attorney-client relationship was formed when WC hired me and that any insinuations that it was truly disinterested are misleading and unethical.

http://thewartburgwatch.com/2018/04/04/did-willow-creek-community-church-really-have-an-independent-investigation/#comment-364265
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« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2018, 01:03:20 pm »

Well, it turns out that the internal investigation by Evergreen will proceed as stands.  Suzanne provided this update on her FB page, this is just an excerpt:

"Thus Lynn and Jim, as members of the current Board of Trustees, and on behalf of the other members of the BOT declined my offer to collaboratively select an investigator that would owe both sides fair representation and my request to have the findings made public."
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