Update From Suzanne

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[jeromydaviddarling]

Of course I'm saying she's lying. I've been saying that this whole time. And "off the record" meaning closed to the public. EG has made it infinitely clear that NONE of Joan's work will be made public. That's the only reason Suzanne agreed to finally speak to Joan. Because she knew that what she told Joan was protected by confidentiality, she can use that to manipulate the public once Evergreen's finally makes a public response. Is it a gamble? Sure. But when you're this deep into a lie, the lies continue to compound as you build your house of cards. I've been counting on that from day one...

Just for clarification, do you believe the others alleging abuse are also lying. Natalie, Loey, Victim A, and Victim C, and a few others who have yet to tell their stories, according to Suzanne.

Follow up, do you believe they are lying, or just misinterpreted what happened?

For the record, I don't post here to try and change any of the regular's minds. That wouldn't happen if God Himself came down and showed them the truth. I write for all the hundreds of lurkers reading this site every day because the truth actually matters.

Speaking of truth, I know Suzanne, Natalie and Loey are lying not just because I know my dad so well, but because I actually know the other half of THEIR stories. Oddly enough, knowing BOTH sides is actually critical to finding out the truth. Loey hasn't shared her actual story for a reason, and Suzanne and Natalie have been manipulating people for the last 20 years. I'm one of the few people on this board that knows EVERYONE and in most cases, knows them very well. The better question is why do people hate my father? Good question. Why does anyone ever hate? I've spoken to tens of thousands of young people over the last few years in dozens and dozens of schools. Many fill out a "comment" card when I'm done. 98% of the feedback I get is extremely positive and often brings me to tears. About 2% is so vile and hate-filled I often wonder if the kid was either asleep or drugged during my lecture. There's a handful of kids around this city that absolutely despise the very air I breathe. Why? I have no idea. Dad's been a pastor for 30+ years - guess what? When you have the courage to lead, and to pastor and shepherd, some people will hate you, it's part of the calling sadly. Some will even try and destroy you. I can speculate all day, but this board would tear me apart for doing it.

Incidentally, the man-blaming on this board is just outrageous. Clearly you don't hate all men, only the ones that disagree with you, which is the real reason I've taken so much heat on this God-forsaken website. Believe it or not, I've been on the wrong end of plenty of power-differentials in my life - I've been touched inappropriately by women, I've had women bosses absolutely demean and belittle me - but I would never consider myself a victim because of it. I still value the word "victim" for people it actually belongs to - which is why I always said "there are no victims here". Not Suzanne, not Natalie, not Loey, or A, or C, or the other "invisible" 4. The only power-differential is apparently now a woman can absolutely destroy a man's life with a couple of tweets.

[araignee19]

For the record, I don't post here to try and change any of the regular's minds. That wouldn't happen if God Himself came down and showed them the truth.

Well, I stand by my statement that it is not worth responding to this guy. He has the right to defend his father in a God honoring way. This is not God honoring. If I, or my husband, was falsly accused of something, and anyone defended me in the way Jeromy has done, we would both be horrified and demand they stop, or at least publically distance ourselves. If an employee of mine acted how he has in a situation involving my company and claimed it was out of "righteous anger," I would fire them instantly.

I stand by my call to turn the other cheek to his words.

I also stand by the statement that the solution to prevent Suzanne potentially "manipulating" the results is to make them public. The original solution would have been to handle it correctly in the first place.

[Watching]

For the record, I don't post here to try and change any of the regular's minds. That wouldn't happen if God Himself came down and showed them the truth.

Well, I stand by my statement that it is not worth responding to this guy. He has the right to defend his father in a God honoring way. This is not God honoring. If I, or my husband, was falsly accused of something, and anyone defended me in the way Jeromy has done, we would both be horrified and demand they stop, or at least publically distance ourselves. If an employee of mine acted how he has in a situation involving my company and claimed it was out of "righteous anger," I would fire them instantly.

I stand by my call to turn the other cheek to his words.

I also stand by the statement that the solution to prevent Suzanne potentially "manipulating" the results is to make them public. The original solution would have been to handle it correctly in the first place.

Araignee19 - Completely agree.  When Jeromy completely dismisses the claims of all the alleged victims he does a huge dis-service to the victims he encounters in his own ministry.  I hope those supporting his ministry have been seeing how he is treating this situation and will seriously re-consider their support.  He is hurting victims and, even more, he's hurting his father's own case.

[jeromydaviddarling]

Folks, the more you talk about how wrong you think I am, the more I know I'm doing the right thing. We clearly have polar opposite moral compasses here - you understand that right? Of course you think I'm wrong, and of course I think I'm right. In reaily, if you saw what this psychological abuse was doing to my family (the abuse this site continues to foster and encourage hour by hour) my response would seem perfectly reasonable. I go away as soon as this worthless and wicked conversation around my father goes away

[KnowingGod]

Jeromy do you believe or have evidence that Suzzane has made up the other victims and that no other alleged victim besides Suzzane has spoken with Joan H or with Fox 9 news? So is Natalie lying, and the other alleged victims who Suzzane has stated have spoken with Joan lying, and is the support from John Vandyck invalid and incredible to this whole investigation? I could see how if it was solely Suzzane making the allegations without the support of John as well the case could be much harder to make (not that her voice isn’t valid) but when there are allegedly 3 confirmed victims who’ve spoken with Joan and Fox 9, along with 2 others if I’m not mistaken, are you saying that 1.) they all came together and created a conspiracy together to destroy your fathers reputation and GCC along with it 2.) all of the alledge victims have never exsisted in the first place nor have spoken within joan, or 3.) they all do exsist but what they are accusing your father of doesn’t constitute of sexual harassment by your standards because a role of a pastor has the authority to ask about couples or individuals sex lives and that they “just took it that way.” Do the current and former GCC memebrs I’ve spoken with who sadly believe the victims become tools of satin and false Christians automatically for that belief? Does my posting here automatically make me a false Christian and to quote you a  “spiritual masterbator”?

[GodisFaithful]

There are people on this forum who know all of the accusers.  As an adult, I was close to two of them, and they are credible. They are not hate filled. They are really wonderful women. And they are not into man bashing. One of them is Loey and one of them is Victim A. Suzanne did not make them up or their story.

[ShineTheLight]

Modified to avoid unintended doxing?? The email addresses aren't hard to look up, but to G Princes point, if you send an email, please be respectful.

Hey all,

Well, it continues. I mistakenly gave ECC credit for putting an end to the public attacks on potential victims by people who lead ministry areas at the church.  This along with our still secret (except for the ones that were outed) Board mostly appointed by pastors under investigation are two reasons why I question if justice will be coming or not, despite what seems to be a very thorough investigation by Joan.

If you find these attacks wrong, here are some contacts for people you could share your feelings with if you feel led - note - all contacts come from public websites.

XXXXX  - Karl Quickert - pastor (I suppose acting sr. pastor) - The Rock
Lynn Newman - acting Chairman, ECC BOT - lXXXXX, on full time staff
Jim Bird, finance director, BOT member - XXXX, on full time staff

And if you are concerned that these attacks could be impacting the integrity of the investigation:  XXXXXX

[Mapleleaf]

Folks, the more you talk about how wrong you think I am, the more I know I'm doing the right thing. We clearly have polar opposite moral compasses here - you understand that right? Of course you think I'm wrong, and of course I think I'm right. In reaily, if you saw what this psychological abuse was doing to my family (the abuse this site continues to foster and encourage hour by hour) my response would seem perfectly reasonable. I go away as soon as this worthless and wicked conversation around my father goes away

Jeromy, you can disagree with people, you can have a different view of what the end truth will be, but do you not understand that accusing people of having a "polar opposite moral compass" as you is cruel and over the line.  I have been in the same church as you for over twenty years, and I find that comment troubling.  I have been in ministry with you at the Rock and served along side of you.  And now that I have a different view than you do on this subject, you accuse me of not having a moral compass?  I want the truth to come out.  I believe most of the people that you are attacking on this forum want the full truth to come out.  MANY have called on Evergreen to release the full report.  I have personally requested to Lynn and my pastors that the report should released.  It would be the best for all parties.  I would encourage you to do the same.  Align with the people here who you can't agree with on anything, agree on this, and encourage our church board to release the report.

[ShineTheLight]

Folks, the more you talk about how wrong you think I am, the more I know I'm doing the right thing. We clearly have polar opposite moral compasses here - you understand that right? Of course you think I'm wrong, and of course I think I'm right. In reaily, if you saw what this psychological abuse was doing to my family (the abuse this site continues to foster and encourage hour by hour) my response would seem perfectly reasonable. I go away as soon as this worthless and wicked conversation around my father goes away

Jeromy, you can disagree with people, you can have a different view of what the end truth will be, but do you not understand that accusing people of having a "polar opposite moral compass" as you is cruel and over the line.  I have been in the same church as you for over twenty years, and I find that comment troubling.  I have been in ministry with you at the Rock and served along side of you.  And now that I have a different view than you do on this subject, you accuse me of not having a moral compass?  I want the truth to come out.  I believe most of the people that you are attacking on this forum want the full truth to come out.  MANY have called on Evergreen to release the full report.  I have personally requested to Lynn and my pastors that the report should released.  It would be the best for all parties.  I would encourage you to do the same.  Align with the people here who you can't agree with on anything, agree on this, and encourage our church board to release the report.

amen.

[KnowingGod]

God is faithful thank you for your clairIfication from your personal insight into all of this, and well said Mapleleaf. As a believer myself weather Jeromy believes so or not who I also knew personally for many years by the way, we will all spend eternity in heaven with each other one day and I have been praying for all of you who still attend GCC churches in the twin cities directly affected by this, the darling family, and the victims. 

[jeromydaviddarling]

well look who's being threatened and intimidated now. Is there a number i can call or someone I can email to report Suzanne and Natalie to? No? Ok. My father (and family for that matter) are mocked and patronized all day, every day on this website. My own father has been effectively denied a basic human right of being allowed to answer his accusers and according to most on this site, Mark's kids should all just sit quietly and do as they're told. Jesus fashioned a whip to loudly and violently drive out the thieves defiling his father's house - I believe I have a Biblical precedent to forcefully defend my father the same way. My family comes before all other things - before my church, before my livelihood, everything but God. And by the way, I've answered every question posed in this thread, ad nauseum, so I can only surmise that the persistent asking of questions I've already answered is done to either mock me or continue distracting from the conversation. Suzanne was caught in 2 very bold lies in the Fox 9 story and exactly zero folks on this forum made an attempt to explain the massive discrepancies. Now an apparently anonymous source has provided secrets documents needed to exonerate Suzanne the exact same week she had her interview, and all of this is being communicated exclusively over the internet. Every time you guys ignore these things it proves you actually aren't interested at all in the truth and are actively rooting for my father's destruction.

[ShineTheLight]

well look who's being threatened and intimidated now. Is there a number i can call or someone I can email to report Suzanne and Natalie to? No? Ok. My father (and family for that matter) are mocked and patronized all day, every day on this website. My own father has been effectively denied a basic human right of being allowed to answer his accusers and according to most on this site, Mark's kids should all just sit quietly and do as they're told. Jesus fashioned a whip to loudly and violently drive out the thieves defiling his father's house - I believe I have a Biblical precedent to forcefully defend my father the same way. My family comes before all other things - before my church, before my livelihood, everything but God. And by the way, I've answered every question posed in this thread, ad nauseum, so I can only surmise that the persistent asking of questions I've already answered is done to either mock me or continue distracting from the conversation. Suzanne was caught in 2 very bold lies in the Fox 9 story and exactly zero folks on this forum made an attempt to explain the massive discrepancies. Now an apparently anonymous source has provided secrets documents needed to exonerate Suzanne the exact same week she had her interview, and all of this is being communicated exclusively over the internet. Every time you guys ignore these things it proves you actually aren't interested at all in the truth and are actively rooting for my father's destruction.

Jeromy - please be exceedingly clear - you believe you have biblical precedent to violently defend your father?  Please confirm for all that you are speaking metaphorically.

[Peacemaker03]

well look who's being threatened and intimidated now. Is there a number i can call or someone I can email to report Suzanne and Natalie to? No? Ok. My father (and family for that matter) are mocked and patronized all day, every day on this website. My own father has been effectively denied a basic human right of being allowed to answer his accusers and according to most on this site, Mark's kids should all just sit quietly and do as they're told. Jesus fashioned a whip to loudly and violently drive out the thieves defiling his father's house - I believe I have a Biblical precedent to forcefully defend my father the same way. My family comes before all other things - before my church, before my livelihood, everything but God. And by the way, I've answered every question posed in this thread, ad nauseum, so I can only surmise that the persistent asking of questions I've already answered is done to either mock me or continue distracting from the conversation. Suzanne was caught in 2 very bold lies in the Fox 9 story and exactly zero folks on this forum made an attempt to explain the massive discrepancies. Now an apparently anonymous source has provided secrets documents needed to exonerate Suzanne the exact same week she had her interview, and all of this is being communicated exclusively over the internet. Every time you guys ignore these things it proves you actually aren't interested at all in the truth and are actively rooting for my father's destruction.

Jeromy - please be exceedingly clear - you believe you have biblical precedent to violently defend your father?  Please confirm for all that you are speaking metaphorically.

I concur with Shine here.  Especially given that you are a person highly trained in martial arts, I would prefer if you clarify what you mean here.

[JessicaNoelDarling]

 DO any of you actually know my brother?? Or know me?

[JessicaNoelDarling]

 Also, everyone keeps ignoring my posts..


I noticed I've been mentioned a few times today so I'd like to address some points. First of all, I do actually find it telling how my posts are often evaded. I don't believe that folks are being silent because they have been trying to be sensitive to my situation, whatever that means. I think my questions have been evaded because addressing them seriously challenges the narrative that folks have been pushing. I've spoken the truth over and over again about my fathers observed character as a man, not just a father, since I'm not sure you can separate the two, not to mention I lived with him through my mid to late 20's so these aren't things I've observed just from a childhood perspective. Some are trying to isolate this apparent flaw in their narrative by saying, "Well, he was just a good father is all." ....What?? Just a good father? That makes no sense gut check in logic. How can you be a wonderful father, a faithful husband, a passionate and caring pastor....but a pseudo abuser/manipulator on the side (that only scratches the surface of the nonsense). So I'd have to conclude that either some are turning their brains off, or I'm being ignored because it's hard to reconcile the narrative with the observed character of my father by pretty much everyone who actually knows him. People on this forum, you'll find out, don't actually know him! It's laughable at times watching the conspiracy theories form. So why am I on this forum you ask? Trying to prove my father's innocence? No. He is innocent and that really doesn't need to be proved. No, the reason I'm here is to ask questions for the purposes of illustrating the ridiculous nature of these claims for others to see so that they, who haven't turned their logic centers off, can see the lack of actual substance to these claims via the responses (or lack of responses) to legitimate questions. You see, many folks are peering in on this little forum because they are curious. Many of them have no context at all other than what they read online. I want to be respectful on this forum, mind you, but I'm compelled to speak the truth and if the truth makes these claims seem silly, I really can't help that. A number of times people have tried talk about me as if I am just a desperate daughter trying to salvage the reputation of my father, all the while dealing with my own pain and doubt. Lord have mercy, that couldn't be farther from the truth. Whether my dad is innocent or guilty doesn't even seem to matter on this forum as evidenced by the strategic evading of questions. This forum is very unfortunate. It's a hot mess of feelings, which is fine, but feelings have this ability to color the perspective of truth. I believe a few on this forum are outright liars, but most are people who have been hurt. I do understand that and I want you to know that I believe God cares deeply for you and is concerned about that which is causing, or has caused you pain. But please don't be misled by those who are using your pain to push a narrative that is more easily palatable because of where you have been or things you have gone through. My heart goes out to you, but consider that the so-called abuser in this story might actually be the victim.

[jeromydaviddarling]

well look who's being threatened and intimidated now. Is there a number i can call or someone I can email to report Suzanne and Natalie to? No? Ok. My father (and family for that matter) are mocked and patronized all day, every day on this website. My own father has been effectively denied a basic human right of being allowed to answer his accusers and according to most on this site, Mark's kids should all just sit quietly and do as they're told. Jesus fashioned a whip to loudly and violently drive out the thieves defiling his father's house - I believe I have a Biblical precedent to forcefully defend my father the same way. My family comes before all other things - before my church, before my livelihood, everything but God. And by the way, I've answered every question posed in this thread, ad nauseum, so I can only surmise that the persistent asking of questions I've already answered is done to either mock me or continue distracting from the conversation. Suzanne was caught in 2 very bold lies in the Fox 9 story and exactly zero folks on this forum made an attempt to explain the massive discrepancies. Now an apparently anonymous source has provided secrets documents needed to exonerate Suzanne the exact same week she had her interview, and all of this is being communicated exclusively over the internet. Every time you guys ignore these things it proves you actually aren't interested at all in the truth and are actively rooting for my father's destruction.

Jeromy - please be exceedingly clear - you believe you have biblical precedent to violently defend your father?  Please confirm for all that you are speaking metaphorically.

I concur with Shine here.  Especially given that you are a person highly trained in martial arts, I would prefer if you clarify what you mean here.

Oh my gosh - this is a serious question? I actually have to clarify whether I'm going to resort to physical violence or whether I'm speaking metaphorically? This board continues to astound me on a daily basis. If you actually believe I would physically hurt people in this situation then I guess it's much easier for me to understand why you'd entertain accusations against my father over the internet. I quote a verse sharing how I'm trying to imitate Jesus Christ's passionate defense of His Father and people actually take that to mean I'm going to be physically violent. I'm totally speechless...

[Barb]

Jeromy, with all due respect, Jesus - perfect in every way- was defending God his Father - perfect in every way. I encourage you to exercise a great deal of caution in equating your defense of your dad with Jesus’s defense of God Almighty.

[GodisFaithful]

Mark is no where near like the Heavenly Father who Jesus was defending and Jeromy is not anywhere near like Jesus, so the analogy is broken.

[Mapleleaf]

DO any of you actually know my brother?? Or know me?

As I've stated, I served in ministry with your brother (and sister) when I was at the Rock.  As I went back to a different ECC location quite a while ago, I never knew you or Micah as well.  

[Peacemaker03]

well look who's being threatened and intimidated now. Is there a number i can call or someone I can email to report Suzanne and Natalie to? No? Ok. My father (and family for that matter) are mocked and patronized all day, every day on this website. My own father has been effectively denied a basic human right of being allowed to answer his accusers and according to most on this site, Mark's kids should all just sit quietly and do as they're told. Jesus fashioned a whip to loudly and violently drive out the thieves defiling his father's house - I believe I have a Biblical precedent to forcefully defend my father the same way. My family comes before all other things - before my church, before my livelihood, everything but God. And by the way, I've answered every question posed in this thread, ad nauseum, so I can only surmise that the persistent asking of questions I've already answered is done to either mock me or continue distracting from the conversation. Suzanne was caught in 2 very bold lies in the Fox 9 story and exactly zero folks on this forum made an attempt to explain the massive discrepancies. Now an apparently anonymous source has provided secrets documents needed to exonerate Suzanne the exact same week she had her interview, and all of this is being communicated exclusively over the internet. Every time you guys ignore these things it proves you actually aren't interested at all in the truth and are actively rooting for my father's destruction.

Jeromy - please be exceedingly clear - you believe you have biblical precedent to violently defend your father?  Please confirm for all that you are speaking metaphorically.

I concur with Shine here.  Especially given that you are a person highly trained in martial arts, I would prefer if you clarify what you mean here.

Oh my gosh - this is a serious question? I actually have to clarify whether I'm going to resort to physical violence or whether I'm speaking metaphorically? This board continues to astound me on a daily basis. If you actually believe I would physically hurt people in this situation then I guess it's much easier for me to understand why you'd entertain accusations against my father over the internet. I quote a verse sharing how I'm trying to imitate Jesus Christ's passionate defense of His Father and people actually take that to mean I'm going to be physically violent. I'm totally speechless...

I was serious, and as there was room for interpretation, I was asking you to clarify, giving you an opportunity to state clearly what you were trying to say.