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Author Topic: Your secret's NOT safe with us (Upward accountability)  (Read 7936 times)
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« on: March 16, 2007, 06:36:27 pm »

Dipping my toes in.... wrote previously:
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One of the reasons I left my church was that the level of accountability for our pastor was different that the level required for folks under him. And in the pastor’s book, that was fine and good. His accountability was less than that of the people below him and he didn’t see a problem with that. Members of the church were required to be in small groups like Gene’s where we were expected to share really deep details of our lives and these deep details were passed up to the pastor by the small group leader. But the pastor had no similar safety net, accountability group, whatever you want to call it in his day to day life. He told me he had accountability partners that he phoned from time to time, but to me, that’s REALLY playing with fire……
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Genevieve,
I can’t remember the exact specifics, but there were certain topics that if raised during the small group meetings were expected to be passed through your various coaches to the pastor. I know this cause I asked what I was required to report when I became a small group leader. The only one I definitely remember was issues with sexual purity. I think suicidal ideations was another, but that one was more acceptable to get leadership involved, in my opinion.

I am surprised GC never found themselves in a civil or criminal legal entanglement with breaches of confidentiality. I know there are safeguards in some churches today. The church I attend has its own counseling ministry and support groups. I can vouch for the professional safety of the staff and clients.
I did find myself in an awkward place when a former member demonstrated how confidences were kept under wraps in one corner and blabbed in other corners in a 1980s vintage GC church. The intention of the disclosure was showing how confidences were routinely violated. The former member knew I had a good friend still in the church at the time. The former told me how my friend’s issues were common knowledge. Some the examples were clearly for private counseling settings. How the church escaped without legal repercussions, in retrospect, is something of a mystery. The person, who was the subject of the violations of confidences, came from an influential family. I am sure had the right buttons been pushed, it could have become rather a rather messy affair.
One may argue that the former member was engaging in gossip. Maybe and then against perhaps not. Under the circumstances, I can be forgiving. In all fairness, the former member was taken out via an intervention and was out for only a very short time. That is an abrupt and disabling paradigm shift. I can safely say the member was trying to sort out the “modi operandi” of what was going on. The information flow and control must have been disconcerting for that person. There was no attempt to malign or speak evilly of the member still in the group. The tone was out of fear and concern for the individual. I can safely say, knowing the character and integrity of the discloser, had that person been out longer, that person would have been more discrete.
I was unable to follow up with the former member. Was it the hand of Providence, I think so. That was fine. I made a decision to make a mental note of the breach and how it was done, but discarded the personal particulars. The information did clear up some nagging questions I had. I also felt I had details which were none of my business and it was my desire to find every possible way to shred, erase, delete, to get the personal details out my system. It was the right thing to do. I owed it to my friend. After I sorted out my thoughts and feelings in a safe confidential venue, I remember letting it go without any further incident. It may have taken a day or two to process; but then it was over.
With apologies to Jack Webb, the story is true. The names have been deleted to protect the innocent.
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Had friend in Columbus church 80's and 90s. Member left in 1993  Involved GC in Texas  2005-2007.  Empathy to both  with  positive and negative aspects.
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« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2007, 06:36:59 pm »

I just found this blog today, so this is all new reading material. I left GCM as a matter of personal and theological preference 18 months ago. Reading all of this brings some things that happened while I was there into focus. I was involved for more than 15 years from college on. I had mostly really great experiences even serving as administrative staff for a few years and worked closely with one of the national leaders during that time. I attended 4 different GCM churches in that time frame and only one left a really bad taste in my mouth. I never could understand why the “Leadership” didn’t intervene, but after reading things here and on GCMwarning.com, I see the bigger patterns. It really breaks my heart to read a lot of this and I want to confront the leaders I still have a relationship with and ask them what they think, but am not sure how to do that right at the moment.



As for the loyalty to GCM, I guess I never saw it in a negative light. I always interpreted it as if this is where you believe God is leading you to be involved, then be involved with your whole heart. I didn’t see the elitist attitude that those who chose other paths were somehow less godly. That doesn’t mean that the attitude wasn’t there, just that I didn’t see it.



I did see a lot of the other issues, particularly in the campus churches I was involved with and had many discussions with the pastor about them, particularly the idea of “upward accountability” where I, as a small group leader, was supposed to report on everything going on each of the small group members lives to the pastor. I never felt right about that and guess I was a bit of a rebel in that I just never did it.



I also noticed what one of the other posters said about people who came into the church as new christians being the ones who were pushed through the leadership process. Unfortunately, I also noticed these were the individuals who were most likely to be hurt the deepest by the very people and process that was promoting them. Those of us who came from other solid christian backgrounds were more able to separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak.



I’ll definitely be checking this blog regularly and really appreciate what mostly seems to be a fair and balanced look at legitimate concerns. Thanks!
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2007, 06:37:29 pm »

Eastcoast,
Thanks for writing, and I hope you enjoy reading!

This whole “upward accountability” is new to me. That’s horrible. Good for you to not do it.
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2007, 06:37:59 pm »

EastCoast anon -



I’m also an East coaster (and anonymous…). I wonder if the campus church that left a bad taste in your mouth is the same one that left a bad taste in my mouth, as “upward accountability” is something I recall very vividly but not so fondly……
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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2007, 06:38:21 pm »

I also found out in a very unpleasant way that there is “downward accountability”…. Things I shared with the pastor in private and with confidentiality were shared with my leadership chain in a downward manner. Bleh! That was NOT pleasant……
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2007, 06:38:32 pm »

I noticed this behavior as well. Things you told one leader were soon to be known by all of the other leaders, and talked about with pastors. There was much talk in small group about not “gossiping” about leadership by talking about or being critical of any of their decisions when they weren’t there, and yet leaders were encouraged to gossip about the people below them. After I found out this went on, I had to specifically tell my discipler NOT to discuss my life with other leaders, even if he had the best of intentions.
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2008, 06:57:40 pm »

I don't know if this is the appropriate place, however a year and a half to 2 years after I started attending I confided in a friend, who told a pastor about stuff.  I wondered if these "issues" I was having was a reason no one wanted to invite me to a small group in the beginning.  The small group I got invited to, was because of a leader who really did not know me good graces. In addition, one of the leaders of the old group who is a friend kinda of told me I should be open about everything.  That was not really good at all.  Who needs to know the cards of why I think it is hard to move on in life?
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