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« on: January 27, 2011, 07:54:51 pm »

In this article by Rick Whitney, about the begining of GCM, posted as teaching on his website, he speaks of being addicted, "to the church."  Yeah, good word Rick.  Addicted.  And GCM has turned a beutiful thing - the church - into an obession, an idol.    The article, in full is at the end of this post.

Rick wrote:  "We became devoted – (actually we became addicted) - to the church and how God could use each of us, working as a team, to impact our world."
 
some descriptions of people when they are addicted (from elsewhere):
"Addicts are scared of the consequences of separation from their substance of choice."   (plant your flag and die?)

"Denial.  Addicts often deny that there is an addiction. Denial is a way to ignore or dismiss the idea of addiction and avoid seeing a problem. Sometimes, addicts will acknowledge being addicted, but nevertheless dismiss the significance of the addiction.

"Selfishness.  Addictions make people selfish and blind them. Nothing is more important than the addiction itself. Everything is geared towards getting the dependence met, and the deeper into addiction the greater the selfishness.

"Covert Behavior.  Addictive behaviors eventually become a source of concern for others. Consequently, in order to meet the needs of the addiction, addicts often hide their behaviors from others.

"Irresponsible and Undependable.  In the throes of addiction, addicts must pay far more attention to the needs of their addiction than the needs of anyone or anything else.  Accordingly, addicts often become unable to meet social expectations and responsibilities, whether in school, work, relationships, or social roles.

"Paying the Price
Although these sort of behaviors or consequences often accompany addiction, they are neither always present or inevitable.

"Some addicts, in fact, are quite open about their addiction and are not in denial at all. Neither are they in denial about the possible consequences of their addiction.

They have chosen to pay the price, although they may not realize what their use will really cost them or others.

Perhaps more to the point, they don't care about the price. Perhaps this is a different form of denial.

"Living With Addiction
In some cases, addicts learn to live with their addiction and find ways to met the needs of the addiction without having to give it up and enter
treatment. Others form and live in a society composed of other addicts, and thus choose an entire life style that supports their addiction.
It is also quite possible to be addicted and have access to the desired object without having to sneak around or engage in illegal or dangerous activities. It depends on the addiction itself and the circumstances of the addict. But addicts who successfully live with their dependency represent only a small percentage of addicts. For most addicts, the addiction eventually requires some form of underground behavior in which keeping the addiction secret is paramount, second in importance only to the addiction itself.


"Denial of the addiction is an important tool in the arsenal that keeps addiction alive."

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The whole article written by Rivk, from http://www.gcnwdads.com/pages/articles.html is below.  It is listed as article #1.

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Great Commission Northwest


Our Life is Like a Coin.

   I would like to tell one last story. I hope to in a small way, capture some of the spirit and thinking that guided us in our very first years as a movement.  Our Vision has direct bearing on how we attempt to follow Him in our marriages and with our children.  
   Let me get right to it.
 
   A poet named Flora Smith has written the following;

“I know not the way,” despairing I cried.
“I am the Way,” Jesus kindly replied.
“I’m searching for the truth,” was my heart’s plaintive cry.
“I am the Truth,” was His gentle reply.
“I’m longing for life. Oh where can it be?”
“I am the Life. Thou shalt find it in Me!”

I found Life in Him - and in Him, the Way and the Truth - many, many years ago.
While in college my wife and I accepted Christ as our personal Savior. This is the when and the where of how we became Christians.
If you know Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, then you also have a starting point in your own personal, spiritual journey. There is a when and a where, to the beginning of your walk of faith.
And in just a little while – a short time in light of eternity - we will die and be with Him. This is true for every one who names Christ as their Redeemer. If you know and believe that He died for your sins, then you know what your future is - after this mortal life.  Our future will eventually be one of unbroken fellowship with the King and Guardian of our souls.

But what is God’s plan for our lives in the here and now? What is God’s intended future for each of us, while we walk this world?
I would like to talk about this present future that we each possess.  I do not know all the specific details, but I do know what God’s general, all-inclusive, plan is, for each and every born-again, Christian.
And it starts with the simple truth that we are owned by Another.  God has redeemed us. This means that He has bought us, bought us out of this sinful world for a very clear and practical purpose. His purpose is relevant to all that we are facing in life.
I would like to spell out this purpose and talk about our shared future as believers. But to do so, I have to first go way back with my story.

When your pastors and church leaders and others were a lot younger, (thirty years ago); they and I shared a common, life-changing, transformation.
In the early seventies a number of us came to know Christ at about the same time. Many of us lived in the same town, went to the same college, and in very similar way we all experienced a spiritual, brand-spanking-new, awakening.

What is most clearly remembered and held on to by all of us, is that:
“God spoke to us!  He marked our souls!”
He was very real to each of us. He not only gripped our lives with zeal for Him, but He also remade our hearts. We were “caught”, in a once-in-a-lifetime, kind of way, in a way that turned our lives upside down. It was a truly awesome season in our lives.  
I have no doubt that His hand was on us. And as a result of His touch, we would never be the same again.
          
“I have found something to believe in - Jesus Christ.
  I have found something to belong to - the church.
  I have found something to witness for - God’s approaching kingdom.”
            
He first sought and found us. We then found His true purpose for living.  And His purpose was clear. We would drop all of our individual, little dreams and embrace His dream. And we would make life choices that reflected this shared dream.
We would stand and show our commitment and obedience to God’s purpose for our life.

And we chose to stay together in this purpose that God had given us. We decided to place His gospel message as our first goal in living. Since we knew we were going to heaven, we decided that this central mission of being involved in sharing the gospel - would be the central column around which we would order every decision we would ever face. We chose to do all this together, as a company of men and women organized within His Church.

(You may be wondering where I am going with this and why? Let me tell you.
You are either a member of your local church or interested in joining it and becoming a part of this spiritual family.  You may wonder what your church’s vision is.  
If you have been involved in serving in our churches for many years; you may have wondered if your church still holds to the vision we were given long ago.  
We still hold to the vision!  And I want to try to share it again in this way, in this chapter - to build each of us up in our heart and soul.)

So we chose to follow Him as young believers, over thirty years ago. And we chose to follow Him together. This shared aspect to our vision was the key, and the dividing line in our collective, spiritual journey. We saw that His message of forgiveness and new life was entrusted to each of us. But each of us also saw that our Lord wanted us to carry out this preaching of the gospel message through “a company of men and women”, united together as a church.

A man once said that,  “Your life is like a coin, you can spend it any way you wish, but you can spend it only once.”

We decided to spend “it,” (our lives), for the advancement of our Lord’s kingdom on this earth and the spread of His gospel. And we knew that His method to get out this gospel message, was through the local church. So we pledged our lives to preach and build His kingdom together.

“The Savior is not looking for men and women who will give their spare evenings to Him - or their years of retirement.  Rather, He seeks those who will give Him first place in their lives.”            - William McDonald, (author of True Discipleship)


As we attempted to model what this together would look like, we never thought to look at other churches for guidance. We looked instead at just one pattern. The example of what God thought a church should look like - that pattern as found in the New Testament, described in the book of Acts. There the church is put forth and defined as God intended it to be and what we read was exciting.
      This is what we saw.  God intends for each of us to be active, impact players in His church. God intends for every one of us to be workers and soldiers in His church. And He designed the church to be a very straightforward, easy-to-understand, living thing.  
      Those first century Christians came together in the church to accomplish just a few simple, but crucial things.  They first met to build up each other’s faith. And so we met and purposed to build up each other through teaching, prayer, worship and the genuine sharing of our lives.  We discovered that this is what real fellowship is all about.
      We became devoted – (actually we became addicted) - to the church and how God could use each of us, working as a team, to impact our world.
What was happening was a sort of revival. God’s purpose for our lives and our shared response to His purpose - these things began to grip us and proved to be a continual refreshment to our spirit. We experienced then and now, a sort of revival in just being involved in our Master’s business.  And it began to impact others in life-changing ways.  The Gospel spread.

I read the other day, concerning revivals that, “In any awakening or revival, the first person to wake up is the Devil.”  So too he took note of what we were doing. Persecution became very real. But we did not really worry about it, because we knew in just Whom we believed, and we knew that we could entrust our lives and future and reputation to Him.
God delivered us. And He is delivering us still.

About this time Jim McCotter, a fellow dad, and good friend to many, an early leader in this movement’s history, said the following. It was right in the middle of a wave of very difficult  persecution that we were all facing as a group of churches.  I will never forget it.  Even though we were being attacked Jim saw beyond the attack and looked ahead down the road.  
He said this:
 “Join us!  If you choose not to, you will still hear about us.  What God is going to do through us.  In good report and evil report.  And you will say to yourself, ‘I once knew them.’”
I will never forget it.

When you walk through battles together, God unites hearts. He united our hearts in a special way. The Lord used our persecutions and our shared trials to fiercely unite us.  Not only within each of our churches, but between our different churches, between our fellowships scattered now across many states.

“Following the Lord and doing His will, will link you heart to heart and shoulder to shoulder with the highest quality of men and women upon the face of the earth.”
               - Jim McCotter, (one of our early church pastors)

As leaders were raised up from within our churches – we spread out to other towns and continued with our New Testament, Great Commission Vision - of winning the lost to Christ and then building each one up in the faith, within the local churches, which we were planting.  
Our leaders remained united and loyal across regions and across our whole country.

God has led us. Through Him we have done valiantly. There are thousands of stories of faith and love and sacrifice that could be told. Many may already have been forgotten. We probably should have written more of them down.
But there is One who has promised that He never forgets.

George Whitefield, the Billy Graham of the late 1700’s, had one simple prayer. He often requested, “God give me a deep humility, a well-guided zeal, a burning love and a single eye - and then let men or devils do their worst.”

God has answered this our prayer and has given our churches some good measure of zeal, love and clear purpose. And He has helped us throughout these many years.
Our vision remains hot from God. We believe that He wants to energize, equip and use every believer to communicate the gospel to this, our generation.
We believe that His vehicle to accomplish it, is the local church. The church is a living, growing thing. We believe that the church, His church, is sufficient to accomplish the task of reaching the world. And we believe that the New Testament church will remain as God’s primary vehicle by which He will speak the gospel to this world.
So we invite every person, ask every man and woman, admonish and teach every believer - to give their heart to this purpose, this vision.

This is where we are going. This is not just our history.  This is also our future!

Often as believers, we are so caught up in our everyday life that we forget where and how He has led us. How He has safely brought us this far. We then may forget just where we are going. We can almost lose our perspective.
This is one reason why I am writing this history of our heart.  
My desire is to help us in this battle and to help us stay focused.

Until we run out of time on this earth, we will remain steady in our resolve to win souls to Christ and to do this through our local fellowships.
We will remain united in this shared “Cause” across this region. We will not doubt the vision, even if it takes longer than we initially expected.
            
In Habakkuk, chapter 2, the Lord writes,

“Record the vision.
 And inscribe it on tablets,
 That the one who reads it may run.
 For the vision is yet for the appointed time;
 It hastens toward the goal, and it will not fail.
 Though it tarries, wait for it;

For it will certainly come...”

In the New Living Translation, it goes like this,
 
          “Then the LORD said to me, "Write my answer in large, clear letters on a tablet, so that a runner can read it and tell everyone else. But these things I plan won't happen right away. Slowly, steadily, surely, the time approaches when the vision will be fulfilled. If it seems slow, wait patiently, for it will surely take place. It will not be delayed.”

God is doing it, He is accomplishing this vision.  He started this association of churches in a simple, precious way. And the way He did it was by writing this vision on men’s hearts. I was there. I know this to be true.
   
      He wrote this vision in your pastor’s heart and in many other heroic men and women’s hearts, right there in your church. I was there when He did it. I know this also was true and remains true today.

      Your leadership has never ceased to believe in the vision. In good times and in bad. In good report or evil report. Throughout our trials.

We share this same vision today. The fire burns in Grand Forks and in the Twin Cities.
It burns in Eau Claire and Dubuque. In Chicago, in Cedar Rapids, Ames, Solon,  and Des Moines the vision is still real. It is alive in Omaha. The vision burns bright in Lincoln, Fort Collins, Greeley and Loveland. It burns in Northglenn and Thornton and Henderson and Brighton.  And it burns in Aurora and Parker.  In Salt Lake City and in Seattle.

You are involved in a great thing - His church.
Our Lord Himself has led us together from glory to glory. Don’t ever forget it.

If you are a long-time laborer - press on!  Be stouthearted!  Do not faint or grow weary
in well-doing, for in due time you shall reap.

If you are a seeker, if you want great purpose for your life - Join us!

Let me repeat again what one of our first leader’s once said, “Following the Lord and doing His will, will link you heart to heart and shoulder to shoulder with the highest quality of men and women upon the face of the earth.”

I would challenge you again, speaking for every small group leader, every ministry leader, every deacon and every pastor - Join us!   You won’t regret it.

Don’t miss the chance to spend your life in a noble enterprise.
 
Remember, your life is like a coin. But you can spend it only once.      

         Keep pressing, Rick Whitney
   




 

 
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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2011, 11:59:11 pm »

I have heard Rick give this message over and over again. It is getting a little tired out.
It's like a broken record realy. We get it already! you are doing the only thing worth while: saving the world for Jesus.  

What can I say, Rick Whitney, you have found the answer to life's deepest question: "what are we here for?" Your answer: "We are here to preach the gospel of Christ to every one, than when every one gets saved we yell: Mission accomplished!!!  
Than we give God a big high five and start the party....

I'll let Queen translate this article for you, "We are the champions my friend, and we'll keep on fighting to the end!"  Cool

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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2011, 11:59:14 am »

yeah, and it's not even just about saving the world for jesus.... but the church...  the church is SO elevated... and their church, just just The Church... 

again and again and again...

i think the world does need to be saved, by Jesus...  and that the church is important...  but there is some point where it all seems to go way too far in GCM - like the church becomes the only way to get to God and be saved. 

ugh.

again and again and again...


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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2011, 08:37:16 am »

    Do you really think they are misleading their followers? How well do any of the members of this forum know the Whitneys?  Does the Candlewood Church of Omaha many members?  I am trying to better understand what is wrong with their preaching and why they would want to mislead people and what is in it for them.
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2011, 09:31:38 am »

I believe that in shutting out outside influence, and constantly "digging in" and "hunkering down", they feed each other the same things over and over again until they have believed it to be true.
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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2011, 12:55:59 pm »

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I am trying to better understand what is wrong with their preaching and why they would want to mislead people and what is in it for them.
The assumption in this statement is that GC leaders are purposefully misleading people for some type of gain. Actually, my thought is that while some leaders purposefully misled us (like the founding pastor of ECC telling us in 2005 that he wasn't really aware of a Statement of Error when we asked for a copy), I would venture to guess that most GC leaders mislead people not because they want to, but because they themselves have been misled. They have bought into some false teaching that was perpetuated by the "apostolic succession" of leaders from the lineage of founding apostle Jim McCotter and therefore don't know any better.

I would say the main error is believing that their leadership status (received by appointment) puts them in a position to speak for God. This is a serious error. Leaders & prophets in the Old Testament did speak for God. But, that changed at Pentecost. Now, all believers have the Holy Spirit to guide them into truth. It is a serious mistake for leaders to tell people to give the controls of their lives to the leader. Frankly, I believe it's blasphemy.
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2011, 04:56:45 pm »

I would venture to guess that most GC leaders mislead people not because they want to, but because they themselves have been misled.
x2.  Been there, done that.
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2011, 09:20:49 pm »

    Can this addiction be broke? What was it that help any of you see that this was not a healthy church? I have close friends who are very addicted the a GC church. I worry about their committment and their ideas about friends, family and generally how they live and spend most of their time. After reading many of these posts I can see how they really look to their leaders for all the answers in everyday life. The dating, marriage and child issuses trouble me.
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2011, 06:58:58 am »

isit2late:  My experience may be different than most here, because my GC church "up and left" GC as a whole church, so I didn't go through leaving GC as an individual.  Yet, all the while I was there, I had this deep-down nagging feeling that something was wrong.  Many times I was a short moment away from leaving GC.  I believe now that the voice was God telling me that something was indeed wrong.

Help them hear the voice of God.  Here are a few suggestions I would have:

1. Pray for them.  Pray, pray, pray, pray, pray for them. Looking back, I'm convinced that people who had found their freedom were praying for me to find mine.  I'm pretty sure that includes a few people on this forum.

2. When talking with them, don't dwell on the problems you see with them or their church.  Maybe mention one or two in passing, but just let it go after that.  Keep their friendship.

3.  Help them to see that their heart is *good*.  Share verses with them about that.  I highly recommend "Waking the Dead" by John Eldredge; maybe they'd be willing to read it, and hopefully discuss it with you.

4. Help them to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit individually.  Help them to see that God wants to speak directly to them, not through someone else.  God doesn't say "I know my plans for you, but I'm not going to tell you, I'm going to tell that other guy over there."

5. Help them to see that God's plan for them is as individual and unique as their fingerprints.  My church has just started reading "The Me I Want To Be" by John Ortberg, and I think it would be helpful here.

Many of us are praying for you and your friends as God leads you through this.

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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2011, 09:36:14 pm »

    Do you really think they are misleading their followers? How well do any of the members of this forum know the Whitneys?  Does the Candlewood Church of Omaha many members?  I am trying to better understand what is wrong with their preaching and why they would want to mislead people and what is in it for them.

I do know Rick, but I can't claim to know his motives. I believe them to be genuine and I would call him a strong believer. Having faith is something that most Christians would say is important. The thing that is wrong with their message in my view is the The Great Commission.

When you have a mandate to convert the world, (stop and think about that for a while) you can get a little bit crazy. "Frenzied" is how I would describe most of my time in the GC church. Have you ever tried to convert someone to your religion? Let me tell you it is not an easy thing to do. (Ask a Mormon)

Again, I don't think I can even put myself in the shoes of the man. I don't think he has any bad ambitions, I just think his religion is ridiculous. Rick would say that we have been mislead by the devil and the world.  I would say Rick is mislead, who's right? That all comes down to what the destination is. 
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2011, 08:40:20 am »

Quote from: The Great Commission
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.  Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Captain, your post caused me to ponder some things. Since Christians "can't get around the Great Commission" because it is in the Bible, I have often wondered if the Enemy (RW would not like me to capitalize a name for the Devil, but I capitalize names) uses it for his purposes.

Picking up on your comment about the frenzy, I think you are on to something. One thing that became apparent to me was the misunderstanding some in leadership have about the role of the Holy Spirit. They have been taught that there is a spiritual hierarchy and they put themselves somewhere between Jesus and the "average/non-elder" Christian. One older pastor who should have known better actually told us that "like the husband is the head of the wife, the pastor is the head of the church".

Oops. That's not what Ephesians 5:23 says:

Quote from: Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior.

How can a person, who doesn't understand the role of the Holy Spirit working in a life, calling people to Himself, be anything but frenzied? If you love people and think the fate of the world rests in your hands, you will be frenzied. You will ignore your spouse and children to reach the world. You will ignore your unsaved extended family to reach the world. You will find Bible verses to support this. You will give all your money to the church to reach the world. If you believe the Holy Spirit works in the hearts of men and God directs your path, you will wake up each day and seek the Lord's will for you that day. You will live daily and I believe be more effective in what you do. I have seen men who thought they were "living for God" lose their families. It is a very sad thing.

Also, you are right, none of us can know the motives of the leaders. We can only judge their words according to what we believe based on the Word of God. The Holy Spirit guides all Christians. The danger of GC teaching is that they teach that the elders somehow hear first and more clearly from God. It is very intimidating for a church member to stand up and say, "I don't think that is correct," to a GC elder, but the truth is that God gives people gifts. One of those gifts is discernment. The assumption in GC is that the elders have all the gifts.

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And so even to give the controls over to God, that's hard, but the real kicker here is God is saying, "give the controls over to people that I work through, and these people are fallible, these people make mistakes, these people are weak at times. You-outta work through it anyway," that's what God says.
This statement is frightening. The idea that hundreds of people heard that sermon and said nothing is even more frightening.

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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2011, 08:06:34 am »

Great post, Ed, especially the part about God speaking to someone else about His will for You.  He's all about relationship and where is communing with you in that scenario?  This is part of the freedom in faith Martin Luther brought to believers in Europe, and we surely don't want to be under 'certain men' dictating what God's will is for others and how to carry it out! 

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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2013, 05:39:41 am »

How well do any of the members of this forum know the Whitneys?  Does the Candlewood Church of Omaha many members?
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2013, 09:48:09 am »

I met him once at a so-called "marriage conference". He talked a lot about how to raise kids. I remember being creeped out by the whole discussion on spanking.  I also remember being bothered by his vision for marriage and family in general. I talked to him a little about these things after a conference, and remember feeling like he was evading my questions, deflecting them with things like "you need to pray about that."

I dont remember many details. I think there might have been a book he was selling. I do remember how I felt listening to him. Creepy.
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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2013, 10:42:45 am »

It's only 1 cent plus S&H on amazon.com:


Growing Up Whitney: Raising Kids to Stand in the Gap Paperback – January 1, 2003
by Rick Whitney
http://www.amazon.com/Growing-Up-Whitney-Raising-Stand/dp/0974100803/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1380994643&sr=1-1&keywords=rick+whitney
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