Pastor Mark Darling-Pastor who abused me

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[Boggs]

John is not speaking up, which is weird to me

John has voiced his support for a 3rd party investigation several times on Facebook, including a lengthy post stating his support for the alleged victims. Your statement is untrue and misleading.

He has made 2 or 3 very short, vague statements.  People have asked questions in return that he will not answer.  Don't you think he would be a little more vocal and supportive of Suzanne? 

OK, so you have changed from "John is not speaking up" to "John has made 2 or 3 very short, vague statements." How many statements do you expect? Do you want people to be quiet and wait for the result of an investigation, or do you want them raise hell? Is it 10 statements? 20? 296 posts on our forum?

I found his statement on March 10 to be direct and specific.

What I think you're getting at is this little nugget: "Does anyone know if they're divorced?? Imagine a divorced woman alleging accusations against a happily married man??" in an effort to discredit her. It doesn't matter if she's married, single, divorced, widowed, whatever. Keep your shaming to yourself.

[Digital Lynch Mob]

We had a big long talk about this, and we agreed, that in GCx we were in such a strange mindset, we may very well have excused things (and did excuse things) that were not okay.

I just think it's interesting that people seem to think if a man brings it forward, more people would pay attention. 

Agatha, I can imagine no situation in which I would excuse this if it were my wife. None. Ever. And you know this has nothing to do with "a man bringing it forward," rather it has everything to do with the fact that he is an eyewitness to this. He was in the meeting with Mark, Mark and her counselor etc. Why is it a "man" thing with you?

[Linda]

How do you know that John is not telling his story and supporting his wife? Because he hasn’t posted on Facebook? Time shall tell.

[Neville Longbottom]

And maybe John is really "Linda". 😉

[Digital Lynch Mob]

He too turned down the opportunity to talk to Joan.

Frankly, I feel sorry for the guy.

[Boggs]

He too turned down the opportunity to talk to Joan.

Frankly, I feel sorry for the guy.

Why would he participate in the internal investigation if Suzanne chose not to? Makes sense to me.

[Rebel in a Good Way]

GTA, with all of your posting about "gossip" and related verses, you of all people should not repeat something that you have no knowledge of.  Always ranting about speculation from people who know nothing.  


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 I also remember other comments on here mentioning they are not together.    
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[AgathaL'Orange]

My question is how is it relevant at all that what anyone's marriage status is?  And for that matter what their status as a Christian is?   

You keep bringing these things up as though a divorce, separation, or being a non-Christian, or non-practicing Christian changes the veracity of someone's statements. If anything, problems in someone's life would, in my mind, affirm what they are saying because it shows that some kind of trauma or life changing event has happened that has caused someone to take a different path.

The world is not as black and white as you think it is.  And it's truly hurtful and cruel to use anyone's lifestyle status as a chance to make potshots about their statements. 

[AgathaL'Orange]

My point is that it may or may not be the case, but it isn't relevant.  And it certainly doesn't change the truth of someone's statements. 

[Linda]

To the best of my remembrance John (husband and ECC pastor at the time) and I did not know about that beforehand.

I'm not Google either, but it wasn't hard to find with a search of her posts. She was saying he was an ECC pastor at that time.

[Digital Lynch Mob]

Wow, a lot of interest in this topic. I'm sure Heidi could confirm for you.

[araignee19]

Clear, I agree. Why are we even discussing this? Her marital status has no impact whatsoever on the veracity of her claims. Neither does John Van Dyke's verbal support or silence. It is completely irrelevant.

[AgathaL'Orange]

Clear, I agree. Why are we even discussing this? Her marital status has no impact whatsoever on the veracity of her claims. Neither does John Van Dyke's verbal support or silence. It is completely irrelevant.

Yes.   It doesn't matter.  And further it's just mean spirited. 

[Faith]

GTA - saying "you remember reading something" and listening to others "mention something" and repeating Jeromy's speculation IS gossip. Nothing is based in fact, it is all rumors at this point. It saddens me that people are repeating rumors and yet blind to the fact that they are further spreading them.

[araignee19]

Sorry Agatha. Let me rephrase: It does matter that people are sharing rumors and using that to create doubt about Suzanne's credibility and character. It does not matter if she is divorced for the purposes of determining if her allegations are true.

[Roger Dodger]

It could matter if Suzanne feels that Mark is responsible for current state of their marriage.

[AgathaL'Orange]

Sorry Agatha. Let me rephrase: It does matter that people are sharing rumors and using that to create doubt about Suzanne's credibility and character. It does not matter if she is divorced for the purposes of determining if her allegations are true.

Oh, I wasn't correcting you!    I was trying to build on your statement. 

[araignee19]

Got it

Just realized I read your post wrong. I thought you said it "does matter," not "doesn't." Oops

[HughHoney]

If you would even for one second spend time on the resources I sent you before you would understand EMDR a little more. There is evidence. I've given it to you, you just keep avoiding.

Also, a huge reason why you don't see a larger Evergreen or GCC presence in all of this on Facebook from their followers is that they think all of this is ludicrous.

This is all clearly a small sample of people who hate GCC, allowing themselves to comment on something they know nothing about, to all pile on a church you clearly hate. All of you have used this site for YEARS and Scout has been an active member. Why now all of a sudden is this coming up? Further pushes the EMDR question.

The person who tells one side of a story seems right until someone else comes and asks questions. - Proverbs 18:17

Trying to ask questions guys, Suzanne's story has too many holes for me to jump on any bandwagon. Again, she has only made claims.

I see a lot of people referencing Evergreens response on Facebook. I can see your hangup in how they responded when they said: "This was investigated 17 years ago." but they aren't obligated to give any detail as to what they believe. They are affirming yes they met 17 years ago. They aren't agreeing with what was talked about or saying Suzanne was right. You guys are doing that and jumping to your own conclusions.

The whole point of a third party investigator is to be hired and investigate what did happen.

Something I keep coming back to and STILL have no clue why people aren't responding to me, is why didn't John do anything?

Back in the day when this all happened, was he in those meetings? Why hasn't he done anything in this? Or agreed with Suzanne?

If he was a pastor too and knew about their rule of not meeting with women alone, why would he then let his wife go and break this rule?

WHY ARENT THEY EVEN FRIENDS ON FACEBOOK?!?!!? Can someone tell me that?!?!

In all of these things, why wouldn't you insist that Mark be fired?

You agreed (AGAIN, YOU AGREED) he would get treatment. Then what you are over it then? Or the fact that he didn't get treatment now causes you 17 years later to throw a huff about it again?

Your timeline and details do not make sense at all! This is why I can't believe why she's bringing it up now because she has had EMDR therapy since then and who knows what that has done to her memory.


Also, your inadequacies of understanding basic biblical concepts, and how all of you have chosen to go about this (from a Christian point of view), CLEARLY shows your true intentions in all of this and easily discredits all of you from any qualification to defending Scout at all!

RickTroll first on the scene but no logins since Ides of March

[HughHoney]

Yesterday I received several private messages on this forum from RicktRoll. 

Here is the first private message from RicktRoll"

"Suzanne, I want to send you a private message to call out some things and give you the honor of calling them out privately to you.  I've been a third party from the outside looking in this whole time and I've been giving my perspective from that viewpoint.  I can also see that nothing with you is private but still wanted to give you this chance to handle this information as you please.
I came across some information I thought you might find helpful.  I do believe you want the truth in all of this and that's pretty clear from your writing.  I read one of your Twitter posts that states you have done EMDR therapy.  I have a friend who also had EMDR therapy.  10 sessions.  They didn't report any signifigant changes, but  wanted to learn more about this therapy.  Maybe you're aware, but it has been linked very strongly to false memory syndrome.  In fact, if you Google the term "EMDR false memory" you'll find a litany of information, studies and reports.  Here is a link to a TED talk by respected psychotherapist  and I've also attached the finding of her report.  I'm not trying to cast any aspersions.  But maybe this could bring some peace."
I am not sure how to place RicktRoll's links here.  RicktRoll, can you repost them on the public forum?

I responded to RicktRoll that I did EMDR therapy a few years ago.  I had not done EMDR therapy 17ish years ago when I sought out therapy for Mark Darling's abuse of me.

Following is RicktRoll's response:

"Even if EMDR was applied later on don't you think it would effect all those memories before it then?
What abuse are you talking about?  I don't see you saying anything in your posts that show there was abuse.  You claim he was with you alone and that he hugged you with a boner.  What happened in those times?
Any why hasn't your husband stood up for you yet?  It would help your cause so much if he was standing by your side showing his support for you!  Everyone is asking about him and I wan't to make sure you look strong!"

Finally, I sure this is purely coincidental, but one definition of "Rick Rolled" is "To be tricked by a forum troll...".  To be fair there are other definitions as well.

Scout

Say the opposite of these words:
1. Always
2. Coming
3. From
4. Take
5. Me
6. Down

RickTroll is definitely not Jeromy