Pastor Mark Darling-Pastor who abused me

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[AgathaL'Orange]

Just to remind you all this is what my original post was:

"I have stood face to face with more than one person that have personally read the letter.  At this juncture, or really at anytime, it would be inappropriate for me to have read the letter personally.  I have spoken to some of the 5 witnesses personally, not all.  So yeah, I did not even want to answer this question because I know what you will turn it into.  I also know that you have been more neutral, leaning towards believing Suzanne's story in this whole situation.  I post what I post because one cannot ignore the glaring issues with her story, and because I know some of people involved quite personally, for many years.  Can any supporters on this forum say they have known Suzanne personally for many, many years (besides her SIL).  Has her husband, or husband at the time this all happened, spoken up.  Do they know anyone personally that has read the letter?  Have they read the letter? 

Point being we should hold our opinions and wait patiently for the investigation, right? Gosh that would be awesome!  However people here have made it quite clear that the investigation means nothing to them.  This will just continue on.  I will continue to speak up for someone who has been falsely accused in a public-one-sided way.  If none of this was on public platforms, I would not be saying anything, and waiting and praying patiently for the truth to be revealed."

I know someone on here accused me of throwing out insults to deflect subject matter.  I feel I have been sufficiently insulted and subject was well deflected, well done.  But I will do more, I will apologize for taking a poorly worded sentence lacking appropriate puncuation, for face value,  and re-stating what I thought it meant.  I apologize for spreading that information unintentionally.  I will considered them married and will not say anything to contradict that.

You picked out 8 words of my post, and turned it fully against me, that my only intent was to spread gossip, when Suzanne did imply in her post that he was her husband at the time.  Maybe it was poorly worded by her?  Anyways, the context of my post was something entirely different.  I will no longer speak of their marriage, my mistake for saying something, I will assume they are married.   

Fair enough, GTA.  No one, including me, can know what your intentions were.  I believe you that you did not intend to spread gossip.  In fact, I believe that a lot of people here do not intend to sit around spreading gossip.

Not sure when this whole thing will be resolved, but I'm fairly certain I'm not alone in hoping it's quick and complete and with as little damage as possible.

[Digital Lynch Mob]

I just saw an ad on Fox 9 news. Suzanne's story will be aired Wednesday at 9:00 PM. They teased with, "When #Metoo comes to the local church." This is so unbelievably sad. I see no other outcome than the name of Mark, Evergreen and God being defamed.

It's more like #look@me than #Metoo

[Greentruth]

My heart sinks at this. Prayers for all involved. May Gods light be shown, and any deception be exposed

[Badger]

I just saw an ad on Fox 9 news. Suzanne's story will be aired Wednesday at 9:00 PM. They teased with, "When #Metoo comes to the local church." This is so unbelievably sad. I see no other outcome than the name of Mark, Evergreen and God being defamed.

It's more like #look@me than #Metoo

I worry about the church hurting the image that people have of God.

I don't think we have to worry about "defaming" God by uncovering corruption in our churches.  

[Greentruth]

What the devil uses for harm, God will use for good.

[Mango]

I don't think we have to worry about "defaming" God by uncovering corruption in our churches.  

And you know both parties and feel confident in making that statement?

[Badger]

I don't think we have to worry about "defaming" God by uncovering corruption in our churches.  

And you know both parties and feel confident in making that statement?

My statement is valid for any corruption in any church.  If corruption is found, it needs to be dealt with.  News media investigations have brought many issues of corruption to light.

[Mango]

If corruption is found, it needs to be dealt with.  News media investigations have brought many issues of corruption to light.

"If"

[AgathaL'Orange]

Whoa!  Is this video online? 

[Linda]

I don't think we have to worry about "defaming" God by uncovering corruption in our churches. 

I took this as a generic comment about exposing sin among churches.

[Greentruth]

I don't think we have to worry about "defaming" God by uncovering corruption in our churches. 

I took this as a generic comment about exposing sin among churches.

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Generic? Sin? Corruption?  All confusing words when used to manipulate and distort what some feel empowered by abusing. God will not be mocked.  My heart breaks at such calloused talk, given the current attack on all churches.

[Linda]

Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. Ephesians 5:11

If church leaders are involved in sin and/or a cover up of sin, this should be exposed.

It will not harm God's reputation.

Church leaders who sin and/or cover up sin would be corrupt leaders. They should be exposed, according to Ephesians.

1 Timothy 5: 19,20 goes as far as to say:

Do not entertain an accusation against an elder, except on the testimony of two or three witnesses. But those who persist in sin should be rebuked in front of everyone, so that the others will stand in fear of sin.

So, clearly, God's word doesn't seem to indicate His reputation will be harmed if sin is exposed.

When I use the term "generic", I mean I am not referring to the specific situation that is before us. Just addressing the idea that the exposure of sin in any church will not harm God's reputation.

This is not a comment on the Fox 9 investigation. I have no idea what the Fox 9 report will uncover. We will all find out on Wednesday at 9:00, I guess.

[Rebel in a Good Way]

I'm a little confused why wanting to expose and deal with corruption in the church is equated with mocking God since much of the bible consists of calling out Israel and the church when they have gone astray or become corrupt.  In the Old Testament through the prophets, through judgments (40 years in the wilderness), Jesus calling out the pharisees (who WERE religious leaders), corrections to the churches in the epistles, and even Jesus criticizes churches in Revelation.  God is so unafraid of his reputation being defamed and was so committed to drawing his people back to him that he used a donkey to confront a prophet.

The point of exposing sin and bringing things out of darkness is so that the light of Christ can shine on them.  The point is not to destroy, humiliate, or "win."  It is to get people to turn away from their sin (and face whatever consequences might come with that).  Why in the world would that mock God?

[Greentruth]

Rebel what?  You really like to twist words and manipulate them to your agenda. I said NOTHING about exposing corruption in the Church,and when you start making grandiose claims of rebuking Pharisees corrections to the Church, when in fact this a huge part of what you actually do. God turned away from destroying Israel at Moses pleading, so as not to defame His name.   My post here was in response to what read as flippant justification of the direction of thread.  Generic?  There is nothing generic about brother attacking brother, sister attacking sister. What happened to Love one another. Forgive one another.   Do you honestly believe persecuting the Church in the worlds eye glorifying?  Expose corruption,yes.  Expose unproven accusations against supposed people, who I thought where innocent until guilty,NO?  I guess we need that higher level of education not afforded us all, to be able to side step what most in this country understood as justice. Even the worldly systems afford more justice than what I have seen a handful of people here dish out here.  When the media investigation, and the investigation from Joan can show no evidence of the accusations, does your group cease to run this gamete of pain, as I believe if there was any proofs, Suzanne would have brought them forward by now and not taken this to the extent it is today. But I may be wrong, and their is a different agenda. More supposed empowerment, notoriety?

[araignee19]

I am so confused by this whole 1.5 pages of dialogue. I think you guys may also be. I kinda get the impression you are arguing about different things...

[Janet Easson Martin]

Wow!!  Rebel In A Good Way, what a marvelous and majestic look at God and corruption in the church in your post above!!  Have never heard it put so wonderfully. 

[Janet Easson Martin]

And, I so agree, Linda, with your post above Rebel's.

[Rebel in a Good Way]

Greentruth, I'm sorry that I really don't understand what you're talking about. 

I don't actually really like to twist words.  I really like to understand people.  I apparently do not understand what you're talking about.  I'm sorry that I didn't ask for clarification before responding.  Since you quoted this conversation, I thought you were speaking to those people and their point.  Because you frequently respond to people, like you just did to me, I assumed that you were insinuating that Linda and Badger are part of "the current attack on all churches" and part of "manipulating and distorting."  If that's what you meant, I don't understand why asking for true accountability would attack the body of Christ at all, hence my response.  If you want to explain again I am willing to try to understand.  I did assume you were criticizing them or telling them they're wrong and I apologize if you were not.



 

I don't think we have to worry about "defaming" God by uncovering corruption in our churches. 

I took this as a generic comment about exposing sin among churches.

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Generic? Sin? Corruption?  All confusing words when used to manipulate and distort what some feel empowered by abusing. God will not be mocked.  My heart breaks at such calloused talk, given the current attack on all churches.

don't understand what you write.

[Greentruth]

Thank you isthisreal, your words do define what I thought I had shared. I think we all want the truths to come to light, but the agenda that seems to being pushed here helps no one, and actually does hurt everyone involved, including Suzanne and John.

[XianJaneway]

I'm bumping this because I just heard the news: Darling is out, & Scout has been vindicated. <3
http://www.fox9.com/news/mega-church-pastor-resigns-after-investigation-into-inappropriate-conduct-

I praise God for justice, and I pray that everyone he manipulated can find healing.