Logical fallacies

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[araignee19]

Just a lighthearted and rather relevant video about some common and illogical ways people tend to argue (especially on the internet). He even includes my personal “favorite,” the “ad hominem” attack. I’m not calling anyone out specifically here, but take a gander and maybe think about if you use these fallacies in your arguments or if you fall for them, and then please, for the love of all that is good, try to stop. Or use this as a tool to point out the fallacies of others. Either way, some more logical discussion might benefit everyone here.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8qb-h0sXkH4

Enjoy

[araignee19]

Wow! So quiet for so long, and then boom! The attacks are back. Well, since the logically false attacks are rampant again, I’ll just bump this up. I’d encourage everyone to watch this short video and consider your own words and those of others you disagree with as you write arguments. If you are going to argue, please at least do it well.

[Greentruth]

This is a world view, but according to the logic this forum is built on fallacies. Either way you argue it is a fallacy to the others point from their experince. I can see why God called for His people to overlook others mistakes and have compassion in each other’s pain. I personally do feel sad for those on this forum who feel they have been hurt to the extent of arguably being down right mean to anyone trying to share what they see as truth.  And by the way, it was not just boom. It was the fact that the fallacy attack had gone beyond anything I have seen here in my six months of reading. Even one of your most ardent supporters said as much. I personally, and most others come here not to attack, but defend what we see as unjust manipulation and distortion. You have a few who make it quite obvious that their intent is to destroy, not inform.

[araignee19]

Sigh. Well, you missed the point completely. But thanks for the response. 

[Wrestling]

This is a world view, but according to the logic this forum is built on fallacies. Either way you argue it is a fallacy to the others point from their experince. I can see why God called for His people to overlook others mistakes and have compassion in each other’s pain. I personally do feel sad for those on this forum who feel they have been hurt to the extent of arguably being down right mean to anyone trying to share what they see as truth.  And by the way, it was not just boom. It was the fact that the fallacy attack had gone beyond anything I have seen here in my six months of reading. Even one of your most ardent supporters said as much. I personally, and most others come here not to attack, but defend what we see as unjust manipulation and distortion. You have a few who make it quite obvious that their intent is to destroy, not inform.

Hi, GreenTruth! How are you defining a fallacy? I am confused by your answer as this thread is referencing a logical fallacy which is an objective term. As an observer of all parties and someone who has studied fallacies in the past I am super interested in knowing which logical fallacy you think this forum is based on.

[OneOfMany]

I found the video difficult to absorb. The video contains constant pop up graphics which I find interfere with retention of the information being presented. Therefore I googled and found this resource that teaches about fallacies.

https://effectiviology.com/ad-hominem-fallacy/

In my opinion the information is clear and thorough! I have not learned to recognize fallacies. I plan to learn to do that this week.

[Greentruth]

This is a world view, but according to the logic this forum is built on fallacies. Either way you argue it is a fallacy to the others point from their experince. I can see why God called for His people to overlook others mistakes and have compassion in each other’s pain. I personally do feel sad for those on this forum who feel they have been hurt to the extent of arguably being down right mean to anyone trying to share what they see as truth.  And by the way, it was not just boom. It was the fact that the fallacy attack had gone beyond anything I have seen here in my six months of reading. Even one of your most ardent supporters said as much. I personally, and most others come here not to attack, but defend what we see as unjust manipulation and distortion. You have a few who make it quite obvious that their intent is to destroy, not inform.

World view, or Gods view? Read Gods word and follow. Fallacies are replaced with Love, compassion,goodness, grace and forgiveness. Jesus did this for each of us. Reject His truths and follow the world view, and continue to live in fallacy. The only definition I need to know.

Hi, GreenTruth! How are you defining a fallacy? I am confused by your answer as this thread is referencing a logical fallacy which is an objective term. As an observer of all parties and someone who has studied fallacies in the past I am super interested in knowing which logical fallacy you think this forum is based on.

[Rebel in a Good Way]

I listened to the video and am curious to learn more.  For those of you who are already well-versed, I have a question...

I think I have utilized the fallacy of black and white, but sometimes it's because I am trying to put things in the most simple terms.  There are people who ignore nuances and use the other fallacies on a regular basis, so I find myself resorting to black and white to minimize distracting arguments.  Is this still a fallacy?

[margaret]

Thanks, OneOfMany, for that link.
I found that article easier to process as well. Both are informative and educational, and I like learning those things in order to be able to recognize them in future discussions.

[Badger]

This is a world view, but according to the logic this forum is built on fallacies. Either way you argue it is a fallacy to the others point from their experince. I can see why God called for His people to overlook others mistakes and have compassion in each other’s pain. I personally do feel sad for those on this forum who feel they have been hurt to the extent of arguably being down right mean to anyone trying to share what they see as truth.  And by the way, it was not just boom. It was the fact that the fallacy attack had gone beyond anything I have seen here in my six months of reading. Even one of your most ardent supporters said as much. I personally, and most others come here not to attack, but defend what we see as unjust manipulation and distortion. You have a few who make it quite obvious that their intent is to destroy, not inform.

World view, or Gods view? Read Gods word and follow. Fallacies are replaced with Love, compassion,goodness, grace and forgiveness. Jesus did this for each of us. Reject His truths and follow the world view, and continue to live in fallacy. The only definition I need to know.

Hi, GreenTruth! How are you defining a fallacy? I am confused by your answer as this thread is referencing a logical fallacy which is an objective term. As an observer of all parties and someone who has studied fallacies in the past I am super interested in knowing which logical fallacy you think this forum is based on.

Greentruth, it seems like you are presenting a black-or-white fallacy while re-purposing the topic of discussion - fallacies.  In your argument, God's view cannot include argument, discussion, or his people using fallacies.  Christians are supposed to espouse godly characteristics of love, compassion, goodness, grace, forgiveness, loving justice (I added that one for you ), etc; however, this does not mean that discussing fallacies or pointing them out in arguments are equatable to rejecting his truths.  I am not trying to set up a straw man argument here, it seems that this is your argument...

[OneOfMany]

Thanks, OneOfMany, for that link.
I found that article easier to process as well. Both are informative and educational, and I like learning those things in order to be able to recognize them in future discussions.

I am of the personal conclusion that I have a responsibility to educate myself on the fallacies if I plan to engage intellectually with other people.

[OneOfMany]

World view, or Gods view? .

Although there is a world view and God's view, (True) unhealthy churches that lack boundaries use this quote (World's View or God's View) in a distorted way. The words "World's View or God's View" are used to shut down logical thinking, to stop people from questioning what they are told by the leaders and to prevent people from exploring truth. It is a form of mind control used to stop dissent. When I hear it in an argument my alarm bells go up because this term has never in my personal experience been used outside of an intent to control a group and prevent an open dialogue towards truth.

God is the source/creator of knowledge and truth and all people have access to it. Therefore to discount knowledge that is communicated from the world can actually discount God's truth, when what is being rejected is actually the truth. The world does know truth!

[Wrestling]

This is a world view, but according to the logic this forum is built on fallacies. Either way you argue it is a fallacy to the others point from their experince. I can see why God called for His people to overlook others mistakes and have compassion in each other’s pain. I personally do feel sad for those on this forum who feel they have been hurt to the extent of arguably being down right mean to anyone trying to share what they see as truth.  And by the way, it was not just boom. It was the fact that the fallacy attack had gone beyond anything I have seen here in my six months of reading. Even one of your most ardent supporters said as much. I personally, and most others come here not to attack, but defend what we see as unjust manipulation and distortion. You have a few who make it quite obvious that their intent is to destroy, not inform.

World view, or Gods view? Read Gods word and follow. Fallacies are replaced with Love, compassion,goodness, grace and forgiveness. Jesus did this for each of us. Reject His truths and follow the world view, and continue to live in fallacy. The only definition I need to know.

Hi, GreenTruth! How are you defining a fallacy? I am confused by your answer as this thread is referencing a logical fallacy which is an objective term. As an observer of all parties and someone who has studied fallacies in the past I am super interested in knowing which logical fallacy you think this forum is based on.

It sounds like you are talking about the word fallacy and discussing how it is synonymous with sin, am I correct in that assumption? This thread was started to discuss “logical fallacies” which are “a failure of reasoning that result in an unsound argument”.  I truly am just trying to understand your points as they relate to this thread. This thread is about HOW we argue, not WHAT we are arguing about. Arguing isn’t a bad thing! But fallacies make it muddy and stir up emotion rather than thought. Perhaps that is what you are trying to communicate?

[Greentruth]

Wrestling, muddying is a good term I guess. But what one person believes to be a fallacy and not to another that is seeing or hearing the exact same thing is where emotions can get stirred up, and turned into something much worse. Especially when people’s lives are in the balance. Who is to judge if it is a fact, opinion, misjudgment, or fictitious.  Especially when there is an obvious agenda. I normally will not waste time arguing, as I don’t enjoy it. I think many here do. My point is God, through His word encourages peace,love,forgiveness,joy,patience,kindness,goodness, and gentleness. I do not want to learn to argue. I choose Gods plan much more. Hope that clears it up a bit. I know, the baiters will say, so why do I come hear. Simple, to defend what I see as not just fallacy, but an intentional attack to harm.

[Linda]

Definition of argue: to give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea, action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share one's view.

Definition of quarrel: an angry argument or disagreement, typically between people who are usually on good terms.

[Greentruth]

You left out exchange oe express diverging or opposite views, typically in a heated or angry way. Much of what I usually see here.

[Greentruth]

Arguing, very seldom have I seen it done civilly. Maybe some feel they are not coming across angry, while others in the cross hairs do.

[Greentruth]

Just wondering, you didn’t give the whole definition, so was that a fallacy?

[Wrestling]

Wrestling, muddying is a good term I guess. But what one person believes to be a fallacy and not to another that is seeing or hearing the exact same thing is where emotions can get stirred up, and turned into something much worse. Especially when people’s lives are in the balance. Who is to judge if it is a fact, opinion, misjudgment, or fictitious.  Especially when there is an obvious agenda. I normally will not waste time arguing, as I don’t enjoy it. I think many here do. My point is God, through His word encourages peace,love,forgiveness,joy,patience,kindness,goodness, and gentleness. I do not want to learn to argue. I choose Gods plan much more. Hope that clears it up a bit. I know, the baiters will say, so why do I come hear. Simple, to defend what I see as not just fallacy, but an intentional attack to harm.

I think what is happeneing between us is just wires crossed. When you talk about “fallacy” it sounds like you mean “falsehood”. When I say fallacy I am talking about a fallacy of logic in an argument. Could I encourage you to read the initial post on this thread one more time? I would truly like to know your thoughts about how you think the “other side” is logically incorrect. It’s difficult to communicate tone here but I am being sincere. Please read this thread again and help me to understand what logical fallacies  you see  affecting what you believe are serious falsehoods. I really truly want to understand what you are trying to communicate here.

[OneOfMany]

Wrestling, muddying is a good term I guess. But what one person believes to be a fallacy and not to another that is seeing or hearing the exact same thing is where emotions can get stirred up, and turned into something much worse. Especially when people’s lives are in the balance. Who is to judge if it is a fact, opinion, misjudgment, or fictitious.  Especially when there is an obvious agenda. I normally will not waste time arguing, as I don’t enjoy it. I think many here do. My point is God, through His word encourages peace,love,forgiveness,joy,patience,kindness,goodness, and gentleness. I do not want to learn to argue. I choose Gods plan much more. Hope that clears it up a bit. I know, the baiters will say, so why do I come hear. Simple, to defend what I see as not just fallacy, but an intentional attack to harm.

I believe you are not understanding what a fallacy is. The definition is "a failure in reasoning that renders an argument invalid."

There is not room for a fallacy to be true or untrue. It is a defined method of communication with faulty reasoning.