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« on: July 18, 2009, 09:01:36 am »

This really summed up almost perfectly the steps I took.  Really, I think I hit every step.  Thank God I can say I have reached the last step although, occasionally I still grieve... for the most part I'm at the end.  I believe it is possible.

http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=7 

Leaving the Spiritually Abusive System - The Withdrawal Stages One former member observed that she isn’t an Ex-cult member she is a "Recovering cult member."

The control in spiritually abusive systems is so strong that people report they have been affected for years afterwards.  It is for this reason that the WITHDRAWL STAGES should be well understood by everyone.

STAGE ONE:

This often begins almost immediately after conversion.  The mind and will may be completely taken over by the logic presented by the cult.  However, the gut feeling, emotions, or conscience often indicates that something is not quite right.

STAGE TWO:

This doubt causes a feeling of guilt which the person attempts to stuff and deny.  The guilt drives him or her to deeper resolve to "do right" or submit and to ignore any information that conflicts with the cults’ message.  However, the conscience continues to exert itself causing the person to question things.  Most people don’t know what to question.  They may question the "standards", the existence of God or the truth of the scripture.  They rarely have enough wisdom to question the history or the doctrine of the group.

STAGE THREE:

The person will give lip service to the group but in reality often behaves or does things that are against the rules.  This causes even more guilt and more resolve to "get right."

STAGE FOUR:

If the person is observant and alert, he or she may notice some discrepancies between what the scripture says and what is done within the group.  Or he may hear of a scandal or problem that bothers him.  This may worry some people but many others just think, "Oh, well, the people aren’t perfect but the organisation or church is perfect." Or "Oh well, what can I do?" or "Oh well, God will take care of it."

STAGE FIVE:

The person may hear of the history of the church and begin to wonder why he was lied to regarding the founder of the group.  An inquisitive person may begin an investigation.  At this point, the person usually becomes very quiet and fearful about letting others know of his questions.  By this time he has found out that it is socially unacceptable to voice any doubts.

STAGE SIX:

The denial stage in which the person decides to ignore all the warning signs.  They are actually afraid of or angry at anyone who has information that exposes the deceit of the workers.  Some people NEVER get past this stage.  They are hostile towards any information that spotlights the deceit and errors of the group.

STAGE SEVEN:

The "Don’t know what to think" stage.  MANY people get stuck here.  They will try to figure things out on their own.  They are suspicious of everyone.  They don’t trust their friends or family and they don’t trust themselves.  They don’t trust traditional Christianity.  They don’t trust the information that exposes the group.  They may not trust the scripture and might try to find reasons to believe the Bible wasn’t translated correctly.  This stage is very critical.  The stress of it can cause illness, anxiety, nightmares, emotional problems, marital problems, divorce, destructive accidents because of so much mental preoccupation, suicide, hostility and anger.  Some report a problem with nausea, clenched teeth or other outward signs of tension.  This stage is extremely painful and frightening.  Usually the longer a person or his family has been in the group, the more painful it is.

At this stage, some people try to reason with the leaders.  They will either arrange for visits or write long agonizing letters.  Some hope that they can change the system or get some to agree with them.  They are AMAZED at the total inability of leaders to hear what they are saying.  However, some will agree with their arguments, pat them on the head and try to smooth their ruffled feelings.

STAGE EIGHT:

The state in which a decision is made to leave the group.  The person may go in several directions.  They may become angry at God, or become an agnostic or atheist.  They may try to start their own spiritual quest or church in the home.  They may reach out to secular psychology for relief.  Or, they may hook into another cult.  They may decide to just let the spiritual part of their life hang in mid-air for awhile.  Some people get stuck in a yo-yo syndrome: they will leave the church, go back to the church, leave, go back, leave and go back.  They rarely ever figure out what the church believes or even what they believe.  Or, they may become born again as a result of doing some intense praying, in-depth study and reaching out to normal Christian information.  This stage is extremely crucial.  If a married couple doesn’t agree or reach this stage together it can destroy their marriage.

Almost total rejection from the group and professing family occurs if the person announces his new allegiance to Christ instead of to the group system.

STAGE NINE:

The state in which the old personality disintegrates and a new one is formed.  The person will get rid of old clothes, old hairstyles, old possessions.  Some people experience a lot of anxiety in adjusting to a new identity because their whole self concept was so closely tied to the group attitude towards themselves.  New interests, charitable activities and hobbies are found.  Bible study and Bible classes become the new excitement if one has been born again.  The person rejoices at every new day and has a sense of peace.  The world looks beautiful, people seem wonderful, nature seems to glow with the power and beauty of God.  If a satisfactory church is found the person finds a great deal of happiness.

STAGE TEN:

The person is in constant amazement at the difference between the old life and the new life.  The person is able to pity those who are still in the old group and will eventually be able to laugh about his old experiences.  The person will often want to reach out to others whom he has known while in the group.  He feels a strong need to talk about the experience in order to understand the strong emotions and confusion he felt while inside the group.  Talking to other ex-professing people seems to be the best therapy for those going through this process.  Writing down what one has heard, experience and believes also helps clarify one’s thoughts.
 
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2009, 07:42:05 pm »

Wow! That is really amazing. I can't believe this wasn't written just about ex-GC'ers. We're not alone!

Where am I? Let's see: Laughing at old experiences, pitying people still in it, confused about what I believe now and what role Christianity plays in my life, writing, writing, writing...

[As Genevieve--too lazy to log out and then back in again. : )]
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« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2009, 02:15:50 pm »

I found this forum about two months ago and after reading some of the posts, I just wanted to sit down and cry for a long time. I have been reading posts almost everyday and it has helped me so much!

I was only involved with GCM for a year, my freshman year of college, but it left me depressed, distraught, and very confused about God. I can relate to so many of the things that have been said here. That year of my life has been a big question mark until now. I just knew something was very wrong with the church or me, and I always thought it was me. I so wish I would have understood sooner!

I remember feeling like a project, being told my family probably wasn't really saved and to spend less time with them, and in general going from loving God to being afraid of Him. I really bought into the "don't just be an apathetic regular Christian" and it is ridiculous some of the things I did to try and be "broken by God". I do believe sometimes He has to break us, just not in the way I understood it at the time. My relationship with God was warped for a long time.

Thankfully in the past two years I have found a lot of healing and become more normal. :-) Finding this forum has helped me understand that it wasn't just me. My heart still hurts though, a lot. It has hurt for so long, that it is sometimes hard for me to remember what I was like before I became involved. I still feel that a lot of the things I was taught are somehow still in me (if that makes any sense), even if I know they are not true. Sometimes I still struggle with enjoying everyday life, I feel guilty. It is hard for others who have not gone through something similar to understand. It was such an intense experience.

I thought I would share my experience here, even the little I am writing here is painful to write! When does it end?

Kellie



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« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2009, 10:00:21 pm »

Thank you for sharing, and welcome to De-Comm.
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2009, 10:37:48 am »

Hi Kellie!

Something that you said about the result of your time in the movement struck me as so true: feeling that God is always judging you guilty.  That is a hard one to shake off.  The pain of having lost those who you thought were friends will pass with time (most pain passes with time).  But God and your relationship with Him is forever. When someone convinces you that God is always judging you as guilty, that sticks for a long time because it becomes a belief.

For me, the best remedy was to begin to realize (through personal Bible study) that God does love me.  Not profound, but I had to see it for myself in the Word, it had to become a genuine point of conviction for me.

Sure, His expectations of my moral conduct are great, but He's the one who provided redemption and forgiveness for every single one of my rebellions and He never revisits them or holds them over my head. 

Am I doing enough for God?  That is the other avenue that GCx used to infuse guilt in people.  In truth, NO ONE does enough for God.  Now that I am out of GCx and have studied the Word for myself I am coming to grips with the reality that we serve out of gratitude for the love that God has shown us.  No one else can tell us what that SHOULD cause us to do or how much to do. 

I wish there was a magic formula for making the hurt and the guilt evaporate.  There is not.  Time, and keep reading the Word to understand who God really is and what He is really like (He is not like GCx leadership!), that is my only suggestion.

Blessings.
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2009, 11:03:26 am »

EverAstudent:

Thanks for the encouragement! What you said about God's love becoming a conviction for you was very helpful. I've always thought of conviction as a negative thing (conviction of sin, etc.), but I can see how important not just knowing God loves you, but believing it deep in your heart is. I think that is something I need to work on.

He has done a lot of wonderful things in my life in the past two years, so it has gotten easier to trust Him. But, knowing God loves me no matter what is something I struggle with.

Kellie
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2009, 08:24:17 pm »

But, knowing God loves me no matter what is something I struggle with.

Hi, Kellie -- me, too.  I've been away from GC for over 15 years, and still feel guilty for "taking it too easy" and "not doing enough for God".  I know intellectually about God's grace and mercy, but I still tend to see him as more of a schoolmaster than a loving Father. 

The good news is, now that I realize it's not a "personal problem" of my own, but rather a shared "GC problem", I'm seeing noticeable change and healing in that area.  I still feel like I have a long way to go down that road, but it's good to feel the change.

Have you found a church home that emphasizes God's grace and love? That helps quite a bit. My wife and I have been much more open lately about "where we came from" and what kind of impact GC had on us back then, and we've found love and acceptance.

If I may shamelessly borrow from Paul (and Isaac Air Freight): Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.  Smiley

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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2010, 12:54:27 pm »

Kellie:

When I look at these stages, I realize that I am by God's grace on stage 10, but it has taken 13 years.  At the out set, I felt like you did.  What I would encourage you to do, is really ask yourself, what does God think of you?  What does he want for your life?  Your supporters have already voiced beautiful thoughts above ... and go out and seek like minded people to surround yourself with.  Negate thoughts that are old and celebrate your new life ... it will take time and each step forward is good.  If you need professional therapy as I did at one time, seek it.  If you need a walk in the park, seek it ... seek what ever is good and right and beautiful.  God loves you and you have lots of support here.

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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2010, 04:44:17 pm »

Is there a stage 11? Or am I always going to be a bit obsessed with the group?

My husband and I left probably 5 years ago, and I do think I'm getting healthier. I think it's only been in the last year or so where I can listen to a sermon and not feel guilty or wonder if their way was better. I used to have to talk myself back to reality or look for holes in their arguments to avoid being sucked in. Now, though, the sermons don't have that kind of power. Hooray!
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2010, 07:08:38 pm »

Rebekah:

I can relate!  For the first year following my exit, I tried to go to a local Presbyterian church and most I could muster was sitting in the last pew and wait until a panic attack set in ... then I had to rush out.

I'm currently going to my parents' Methodist church who has a very forward thinking and evangelical pastor.  I'm active in the church but cringe to think of the day when they ask me to join. The answer will be no.  Sorry, can't, won't, period.

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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2010, 08:04:08 pm »

Calgal,
Oh good, I'm glad you were able to find a church that didn't make you ill.  Smiley

We left a GC church and simultaneously joined a liturgical church that's the antithesis of GC. We probably should've taken a break from joining churches, but I was in love with it. Plus, joining this other church gave us a good excuse to leave GC. It was so entirely different from GC that they couldn't really argue (except to tell us that the people in churches like ours probably weren't Christians!).

Even now, we only go a couple times a month. I'm starting to want to get more involved now and have helped with a few things that address poverty in our community.

The sad thing is that I came into this new church with the "Tell me what the rules are" kind of mentality. It's starting to wear off now, but I have to fight it.
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2010, 08:02:25 pm »

stage seven....

we'll see how long it takes to get to eight.

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