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Huldah
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« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2023, 11:11:12 am »

If I came on this forum EVERY DAY and posted about how Linda Janet and Huldah are out of line women who need to submit under the authority of their husbands and need to stop speaking and teaching publicly on this forum (1 Timothy 2:12), I think you could somehow recognize how horrific and judgemental that is.

But isn't that pretty much what you're doing right now? Trying to shut us up on the basis of some imagined untouchable authority you believe you hold? Shades of GC!

And anyway, as far as I'm aware, there's one thread here devoted to LGBT topics (or at most, there may be a couple of others). None of the pro-LGBT posts in this thread has been deleted, none of the people posting has been blocked. You have complete freedom to post here. How is that not obvious to you? But you don't want us to have equal freedom. How do you justify that?

How many thousands of threads are there on this forum? No one thread can possibly prevent anyone from reading all the others. Maybe, in hindsight, it would have made more sense to start a new thread about LGBT issues in the Outside The Movement forum. However, people who want to read about GCC-specific topics can easily skip this thread. I wasn't following it myself until you came here and accused Janet of harming you by posting links to actual people telling their own stories of leaving the LGBT community. If Janet was harming you, then why is it not equally true that you're harming those individuals by discounting and marginalizing their stories?
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« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2023, 11:32:54 am »

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But isn't that pretty much what you're doing right now? Trying to shut us up on the basis of some imagined untouchable authority you believe you hold? Shades of GC!

I can't stop any of you from sharing your opinions, obviously. I'm a forum user just like you. But what I am saying is that you're being a jerk toward the queer community. Just because you're allowed to say something because of "free speech" does not mean that a member of the community can't point out that you're being an uninformed antagonist to our community and that they think you're an a**hole for doing that. It's a cruel thing to do, and free speech doesn't protect you from the consequences of your own beliefs. It's "f*** around and find out." You'd think if you're so willing to tow the line on such a controversial opinion you'd have a little more spine to take the smallest amount of criticism on...

My original point still stands: Janet should stop spamming with right-wing talking points that don't pertain to conversation about GCC. It's obviously spammy, preachy, and buries helpful content. "Lastest posts" is the easiest way to browse, and all you can find on there these days is Janet's last 25 sermon blog posts.

You didn't address my analogy about coming on here and posting stuff about how women shouldn't teach. It's salient, and you have no answer. It's the same thing you guys are doing, punching down to a smaller and more disadvantaged minority than your own. What makes your three's preachy posts any different?

I guess as a secondary goal I would also prefer if ya'll stopped posting anti-gay and anti-trans crap, but beyond expressing how hurtful and harmful it is to my community, I do not know what else I can do to advocate for my community. None of you have any interest in listening, learning, changing your opinions in the slightest, so I've done what I can, I just hope that if God's real he keeps every gay and trans person FAR away from any of you because no queer person deserves that.
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« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2023, 01:34:13 pm »

You didn't address my analogy about coming on here and posting stuff about how women shouldn't teach. It's salient, and you have no answer.

You originally phrased it as a hypothetical, so I didn't think any explanation was expected. But since you ask, the prohibition in question only covers teaching within a formal church setting. There is absolutely no prohibition on women teaching in other contexts (otherwise how do you explain Prisca teaching Paul?). So hopefully that settles that.

I guess as a secondary goal I would also prefer if ya'll stopped posting anti-gay and anti-trans crap, but beyond expressing how hurtful and harmful it is to my community, I do not know what else I can do to advocate for my community.

Silas, exactly two days before you came here to announce your new safe Reddit forum, one of your community (as you put it) entered a Christian school in Nashville and murdered six of my community, three of them children.  Violence goes both ways, and neither side has a monopoly on victimhood. I hope you can acknowledge that both sides have reason to feel cautious about each other. And I wish you could understand that honest disagreement isn't the same thing as hate.

For the foreseeable future, I don't intend to engage with you any more on LGBT topics. It isn't achieving anything worthwhile.

I'll eventually come back to this thread as I come across sources to back up the alleged "misinformation" you accuse me of posting. But other than that, I'm done here.

If you care to engage on other GCC topics, I'm more than happy to do that in some other thread. The search engine on this site is woeful. In another thread recently, I proposed setting up a standardized hashtag system for this site to make it easier to find posts by topic. So far no one else has expressed any interest in that. But if you want some help tracking down specific topics, you can always ask. There's a chance someone here will be able to help.
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« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2023, 02:02:37 pm »

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So hopefully that settles that.

You are so obtuse and stubborn, that's not at all the point I was making in my argument. My point was that even if it comes from a place of genuine belief or conviction doesn't make it any less cruel or hostile.

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Silas, exactly two days before you came here to announce your new safe Reddit forum, one of your community (as you put it) entered a Christian school in Nashville and murdered six of my community, three of them children.

I cannot BELIEVE you would say this, this is so disgusting and vile.

Happy pride month, I hope a real queer person in your life tells you what you are to your face.
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« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2023, 02:24:06 pm »

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I don't intend to engage with you any more on LGBT topics

Also, YAAAAAAAY that is literally all I ever wanted hallelujah best day ever.

But TRUST, if you post more anti-LGBTQ comments I will absolutely be back in the comments, response or no Cheesy
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