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MidnightRider
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« Reply #140 on: May 13, 2008, 08:24:25 am »

Quote from: "theresearchpersona"
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I AM in a situation where I'm having to try to be faithful and not train-wreck a gal while also dealing with the GC stuff: I'm around the Christians...I'm not participating, however, with GC...and when I'm around the GC I'm there guarding, say, the unbelievers that might be there from being taken captive, and there talking to them about the Bible and contering anything unbiblical that I might.
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GC thinks we're the enemy...they don't seem to get that many here are just very much concerned...and protesting all that's unbiblical.
Persona,

You know the situation better than any of us so anything I say is just advice. And I apologize in advance for poking at a sore spot.

I would like for you to look ahead 10-15 years. You will very likely be in a situation where you have alienated the girl so much she left you, and GCx got tired of your resistance and "encouraged" you to exit their fellowship. How will you feel then?
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« Reply #141 on: June 28, 2008, 04:13:34 pm »

What's wrong, boys?  Don't like that women make up 51% of the electorate? :wink:

Oxford Researcher: Men Will Be Extinct in 125,000 years
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Story?id=4725121&page=1

Looks like GC better revise its position on females and leadership...if they want their "non-denominational-denomination" to survive.  :lol:
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« Reply #142 on: January 04, 2010, 09:16:47 pm »

Yes, I agree with the original post. My GC church didn't know what to do with all of the older intelligent, ambitious, outspoken single women.

We'd been with the movement for several years, but as we grew up, grew in confidence, acquired the ability to think critically and think for ourselves, and gained a greater understanding of our freedom and power in Christ, we found that it went both ways. GC didn't know what to do with us, and we didn't know what to do with GC. We wanted to pursue lives that didn't center around men or children. We wanted to learn, flourish, and grow into our potential, as full & equal members of a community. So we left. We found other communities where we could flourish. My current (non-gcm) church is pretty egalitarian, but still committed to intelligently pursuing biblical truth, a much better fit for me.

But blessings on those of you who are sticking around & trying to affect change within a GC church. You're more patient than I am.
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« Reply #143 on: January 07, 2010, 09:45:33 pm »

I'm glad you left. It really goes to show what a church is (and isn't) made of when only certain categories of people can fit in. What is this, a social club? hehehe They always made a jab about church being nothing more than a social club at "other" churches.
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« Reply #144 on: January 23, 2010, 01:20:33 pm »

Looks like GC better revise its position on females and leadership...if they want their "non-denominational-denomination" to survive.  :lol:

They would be unbiblical to do so.

However, it's not as though any level or part or aspect of their leadership is biblical already: any part that even appears to be, at first, is twisted. Besides that, however, I found that in the DT's, despite the official positions on things, women had authority over men all the time. Besides that, women were also permitted to be leadership over women even officially--which is okay...if they're seasoned older women: these were not, so they just helped perpetuate immaturity, and sometimes a haughtiness--I know a certain one that told puff "you're following the devil" after he dared asked whether anything they (who built this site) had said was deceptive/lying, untrue, and she could not; then again, she may have just been repeating a line the higher-ups said of those who built this thing.

Oxford Researcher: Men Will Be Extinct in 125,000 years
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Story?id=4725121&page=1

And although I understand your joking reasons for bringing this up I want to help put an old myth to rest. This is a very old myth, not grounded in science, but like many scientific "proclamations" keeps getting picked-up and re-cited. It's also outdated matter: the Y, despite its minute size, was the iron man of genes to sequence because it's recursive; the researchers who accomplished this described it (and much simpler than it really is) as looking at thousands of New York cities where the only difference were a couple of mail boxes in each. The Y, unlike other chromosomes, like a mirror-in-a-mirror, is able without a partnered chromosome to repair itself: so the coming demise of men is far over exaggerated.

Speaking of which, I actually considered in school writing a paper on a chicken-and-the-egg problem regarding sexes that, if evolution held, men would have to have been first: sure, Adam-and-Evecome to mind first for sure to anyone who'd encounter that paper, but on a genetic basis it would be quite serious if one has no pre-commitments to evolutionary philosophy into which to force the data to fit. It doesn't quite have to do with the Y, but that could be part of the reasoning too, if one really wanted to give extra detail.


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« Reply #145 on: June 27, 2018, 09:22:35 am »

I just found this thread and much of what was expressed here was my experience as a woman in GCC, hence my username.  I didn't fit in to the quiet, submissive, "don't threaten people with female intelligence" role so my pastor literally wrote to me, what was supposed to be affectionately, that I was a "rebel, but in a good way."  I honestly wasn't sure how to take that at the time because being a rebel in GCC certainly wasn't a good thing.   Undecided

At any rate, I think that many of the issues mentioned in this thread (I have not read through all the pages yet so I hope there's nothing super weird in the middle) are part of the reason ECC is in trouble today dealing with the abuse of women and subsequent cover-up, all by pastors.  I know some Christians here are complementarian, but that can look very different and I am not making generalizations about that approach even though I disagree with it.  But I think in GCC "complementarianism" looks like the subservience and inequality of women.  Which is what allows abuse to flourish.  I pray that this issue with abuse will give them pause to consider how women are viewed and treated in their movement.  Because when a male pastor can abuse women sexually and other male leaders not only fail to stop him from doing so, but also adamantly praise and defend him shaming the victims, this sends a clear message about who is valued in GCC.  It ain't women.  And it's not really the sheep either. 
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« Reply #146 on: July 19, 2018, 10:14:56 pm »

OK, maybe this stuff is taught more openly, Yikes!

What is the big deal with submission anyway? This church is completely obsessed with the topic. Read the gospels I donít think this issue even comes up. How about just have a normal church where people arenít ordered around by rank and gender.

There is more to the Bible then just the 4 Gospels, which would need to understand in light of the Old Testament anyways. Besides that, you don't even accept the Word of God as such.
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« Reply #147 on: July 20, 2018, 07:23:11 am »

There is no requirement on this forum that people adhere to any set of religious beliefs and certainly not that they share yours.  And even if people profess a certain faith, some random stranger who is trolling a forum is not going to be considered the authority on the interpretation of their sacred texts anyway. 

This is cult-like thinking.  "you're in the out-group because you don't believe the right things" and "I have more knowledge than you."  Excuse me, I mean cult leader-like thinking.  Being a cult involves more than just "doctrine," contrary to your opinion.



OK, maybe this stuff is taught more openly, Yikes!

What is the big deal with submission anyway? This church is completely obsessed with the topic. Read the gospels I donít think this issue even comes up. How about just have a normal church where people arenít ordered around by rank and gender.

There is more to the Bible then just the 4 Gospels, which would need to understand in light of the Old Testament anyways. Besides that, you don't even accept the Word of God as such.
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