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Author Topic: A well articulated review of GRACE  (Read 5317 times)
Digital Lynch Mob
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« on: March 19, 2018, 01:51:23 pm »

It's long, but worth the read if you're interested in learning more about GRACE and Boz Tchividjian

https://dougwils.com/books-and-culture/s7-engaging-the-culture/rachael-denhollanders-accomplishment-mistake.html
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2018, 02:07:59 pm »

"THE RULES OF EVIDENCE ARE THE PATRIARCHY"

Lol nice try. More like the rules of evidence are blowing up the patriarchy. Men didn't invent "evidence" and "justice." What a manipulative way to mansplain sexual misconduct. 
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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2018, 02:12:29 pm »

Didn't like this point aye? Kind of like looking in a mirror for many here.

"I have been referring to the rules of evidence. By them I mean things like due process, the presumption of innocence, the right to confront your accuser, the requirement of two and three witnesses, hearing both sides before making a determination, and so forth. These principles are deeply embedded in our legal system, which in turn was Christian in its origins. They have been badly corroded in recent years, but they are still functional and still most necessary. But because they are deeply embedded in our legal system, they are part of the establishment. They are part of the “way things are.” This means they are an essential element in what feminists like to call the patriarchy. As far as the climate of the times is concerned, they are part of the oppression.

So for a certain class of person, the principles of justice, the rules of evidence, are themselves sexual offenders, and should be put on a registry."

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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2018, 02:17:08 pm »

Rachel's testimony was gripping (the video).

And I see a similarity  as to some of the reaction to allegations of sexual misconduct that are before Evergreen right now.

1. There's an awful lot of not believing going on, and MSU thought that not believing would get them off the hook.

2. There are an awful lot of accusations of victims making up stories and seeking attention.

3. And this statement caught my  ear, "No one handled the reports of abuse properly."  
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2018, 02:20:41 pm »

Didn't like this point aye? Reminds a lot of many here.

"I have been referring to the rules of evidence. By them I mean things like due process, the presumption of innocence, the right to confront your accuser, the requirement of two and three witnesses, hearing both sides before making a determination, and so forth. These principles are deeply embedded in our legal system, which in turn was Christian in its origins. They have been badly corroded in recent years, but they are still functional and still most necessary. But because they are deeply embedded in our legal system, they are part of the establishment. They are part of the “way things are.” This means they are an essential element in what feminists like to call the patriarchy. As far as the climate of the times is concerned, they are part of the oppression.

So for a certain class of person, the principles of justice, the rules of evidence, are themselves sexual offenders, and should be put on a registry."



Yes justice and evidence, the true oppressors of women everywhere... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Cheesy
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2018, 05:45:01 pm »

DLM, were you aware that this article was written by Doug Wilson of Moscow, Idaho? Are you at all familiar with Wilson?

If not, here's the Cliff's Notes version. Doug Wilson is famous, or infamous, for taking the side of child molesters against their victims. If you want to know more details, do a search for "Doug Wilson and Steven Sitler" or "Doug Wilson and Jamin Wight." There are multiple websites that go into detail about Wilson's support for those men, both before and after their convictions, as well as Wilson's apparent contempt for the victims. The convictions of Sitler and Wight are a matter of Idaho public record.

In the Wight case, Wilson sat near the perp during the trial to offer comfort and support. He later denied communion to the victim, who like the perp was a member of Wilson's church. In the Sitler case, after Sitler's release from prison, Wilson officiated at Sitler's arranged wedding. Sitler now has a young son from that marriage whom he's not allowed to visit, because he's been determined to be a danger to his own child. Wilson feels he did nothing wrong by officiating at Sitler's wedding, even knowing that Sitler was considered at high risk to re-offend if he ever had access to a child.

You may also find it interesting that Wilson is the co-author of a paper called Southern Slavery as it Was, in which he writes that slavery was, "... a relationship based upon mutual  affection  and  confidence... Slave  life  was  to  (the slaves)  a  life  of  plenty,  of  simple  pleasures,  of  food,  clothes,  and  good medical  care." He goes on to assert that slaves earned an income 15% higher as slaves than they could have earned as free men.

So now you're asking us to take the word of Doug Wilson, mentor of pedophiles and defender of slavery, when he asserts that GRACE is biased.

That is just surreal.
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2018, 06:13:18 pm »

Suzanne and the other alleged victims suggested Grace but said they would be happy to use any independent investigator agreed upon by both parties.  So, choose someone else.  They are ready and willing to come forward to someone who is independent. 
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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2018, 07:13:09 pm »

Thank you, Huldah, for that very important and telling clarification.
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2018, 03:08:18 pm »

Thanks Huldah, that name is familiar ot me as well.  Doug Wilson is not someone that most churches would want to be affiliated with when it comes to issues of abuse.  Same as one of the other critics of GRACE, Sovereign Grace Churches. 

Seems like only people who have things to hide disparage GRACE.
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