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Author Topic: commingling of MD Evergreen funds into JD’s ministry: should be investigated too  (Read 40391 times)
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« Reply #60 on: June 15, 2018, 09:35:42 am »

I think it's only a problem during the months after it was revoked.  There is information about this available on the IRS website with more details.

https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/automatic-revocation-of-exemption

Even if JD were to reinstate his tax exempt status, there are still the years during which he collected, did not pay taxes and did not file his paperwork. I have no idea what forensic accounting is entailed but it appears he might owe the IRS taxes!


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« Reply #61 on: June 15, 2018, 09:38:34 am »

Even if JD were to reinstate his tax exempt status, there are still the years during which he collected, did not pay taxes and did not file his paperwork. I have no idea what forensic accounting is entailed but it appears he might owe the IRS taxes!

If the exemption wasn't revoked until November of 2017, then anyone who donated before that time should be okay.

From the National Council of Nonprofits:

Donor relations: Be proactive about communicating with your donors and transparent in explaining that while donations given before the effective date of revocation are still deductible, future gifts are not, until such time as the nonprofit receives recognition from the IRS that is it once again tax-exempt. If your donors need more information on the deductibility of their gifts, refer them to IRS Publication 557.

Edit to add: Given how recent the revocation was, one would think The Project could fix this pretty easily and with minimal expense. It's possible to get tax-exempt status reinstated, so that would be the obvious way to go. Along with a commitment to better IRS compliance. This is not an unfixable problem.

Well that is good, that if he reinstates then the problems for donors go away. I am not sure if the reinstatement is retroactive and covered the month during which he is not in good standing?
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« Reply #62 on: June 15, 2018, 09:39:57 am »

James 3:8
"But no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison."

I think you confuse us with those who can be silenced by using scripture to manipulate others into not speaking.

 No, scripture is scripture. This forum is complete nonsense and one-sided. What would does God think about your posts? What's your motive?
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« Reply #63 on: June 15, 2018, 09:44:48 am »

This forum is complete nonsense and one-sided.

If it were really one-sided, then GCx defenders wouldn't even be allowed to post here.
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« Reply #64 on: June 15, 2018, 09:45:00 am »

James 3:8
"But no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison."

I think you confuse us with those who can be silenced by using scripture to manipulate others into not speaking.

 No, scripture is scripture. This forum is complete nonsense and one-sided. What would does God think about your posts? What's your motive?

What do you think God thinks? Do you have access to God's thoughts?

My motive can be summed up in the line: All it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing. I will not stand by silently.
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« Reply #65 on: June 15, 2018, 09:49:07 am »

I am not sure if the reinstatement is retroactive and covered the month during which he is not in good standing?

"...while donations given before the effective date of revocation are still deductible, future gifts are not, until such time as the nonprofit receives recognition from the IRS that is it once again tax-exempt."

I'm reading that as a no, it's not retroactive. But if I were a donor I'd contact the IRS or a tax professional, just to be sure.
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« Reply #66 on: June 15, 2018, 09:51:47 am »

This is such a great value-added service you guys do...for free! How incredibly thoughtful and generous.

Oneofmany, Rebel and shinethelight you could start a ministry that performs a "non-profit check-up." We'll look into your 401(c)3 and identify any potential issues or problems we see and provide a road map to full health and restitution. You guys have such big hearts.
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« Reply #67 on: June 15, 2018, 09:55:58 am »

This is such a great value-added service you guys do...for free! How incredibly thoughtful and generous.

Oneofmany, Rebel and shinethelight you could start a ministry that performs a "non-profit check-up." We'll look into your 401(c)3 and identify any potential issues or problems we see and provide a road map to full health and restitution. You guys have such big hearts.

Exactly DLM!
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« Reply #68 on: June 15, 2018, 10:00:17 am »

DLM, here's the problem, as I see it. The Darlings' supporters here obviously love them, but it's the undiscerning love that a 5-year-old has for his daddy. It's the kind of childlike love that believes someone can do no wrong. It's not bad, it's just not sufficient for the hard times when you find out that the person you love is only human, and fallible, and sometimes very wrong indeed.

What's needed is for the Darlings and leaders like them to hear, "We love you, but you're on a really bad path here. You need to straighten up and fly right, because if you keep this up, you're going to crash and burn." That's what real love looks like, sometimes. Faithful are the wounds of a friend, and all that.

He won't listen to us. He may listen to you. If any of this stuff is true, be a friend, and help him deal with it.
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« Reply #69 on: June 15, 2018, 10:01:36 am »

DLM, here's the problem, as I see it. The Darlings' supporters here obviously love them, but it's the undiscerning love that a 5-year-old has for his daddy. It's the kind of childlike love that believes someone can do no wrong. It's not bad, it's just not sufficient for the hard times when you find out that the person you love is only human, and fallible, and sometimes very wrong indeed.

What's needed is for the Darlings and leaders like them to hear, "We love you, but you're on a really bad path here. You need to straighten up and fly right, because if you keep this up, you're going to crash and burn." That's what real love looks like, sometimes. Faithful are the wounds of a friend, and all that.

He won't listen to us. He may listen to you. If any of this stuff is true, be a friend, and help him deal with it.

Do you know any of the darlings personally, just wondering?
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« Reply #70 on: June 15, 2018, 10:06:08 am »

DLM, here's the problem, as I see it. The Darlings' supporters here obviously love them, but it's the undiscerning love that a 5-year-old has for his daddy. It's the kind of childlike love that believes someone can do no wrong. It's not bad, it's just not sufficient for the hard times when you find out that the person you love is only human, and fallible, and sometimes very wrong indeed.

What's needed is for the Darlings and leaders like them to hear, "We love you, but you're on a really bad path here. You need to straighten up and fly right, because if you keep this up, you're going to crash and burn." That's what real love looks like, sometimes. Faithful are the wounds of a friend, and all that.

He won't listen to us. He may listen to you. If any of this stuff is true, be a friend, and help him deal with it.

Do you know any of the darlings personally, just wondering?

Many on this forum do know him personally. But that is not relevant. The facts are that donations are being collected while stating they are tax exempt. The IRS says they are not tax exempt. Facts.
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« Reply #71 on: June 15, 2018, 10:11:29 am »

Do you know any of the darlings personally, just wondering?

No, I don't. And if the people who do know MD & JD personally had cared enough to step in and intervene when things started getting out of hand, I wouldn't be posting about all this now.

Now, a question for you: since you appently do know him, and presumable love him, does that make your obligation to hold him accountable greater, or less?
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« Reply #72 on: June 15, 2018, 10:14:23 am »

So you would oppose this kind of ministry?  Seems like it's needed  Wink

Although that is what boards and board members are supposed to be doing. 

This is such a great value-added service you guys do...for free! How incredibly thoughtful and generous.

Oneofmany, Rebel and shinethelight you could start a ministry that performs a "non-profit check-up." We'll look into your 401(c)3 and identify any potential issues or problems we see and provide a road map to full health and restitution. You guys have such big hearts.
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« Reply #73 on: June 15, 2018, 10:18:41 am »

Although that is what boards and board members are supposed to be doing. 

That's what's so puzzling and frustrating about this. You have an IRS problem, you fix it. Yes, it's a hassle, and dealing with the IRS is a major pain, but if you have a problem, you fix it. Early. Before it metastasizes like cancer.
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« Reply #74 on: June 15, 2018, 10:20:06 am »

Do you know any of the darlings personally, just wondering?

No, I don't. And if the people who do know MD & JD personally had cared enough to step in and intervene when things started getting out of hand, I wouldn't be posting about all this now.

Now, a question for you: since you appently do know him, and presumable love him, does that make your obligation to hold him accountable greater, or less?

It is just really interesting  to me that you don't know them, but you make all sorts of assumptions about them from other people you know, or the posts you read here. I don't know them super well.  I just find it awful how many people here love to speculate, slander, and gossip.  When i first started reading this forum it made me sick... its like reading poison.
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« Reply #75 on: June 15, 2018, 10:25:28 am »

What part of The Salvage Project's tax-exempt status qualifies as slander? What part is merely an assumption? The information comes from the IRS website. It's factual and true.

What part of them not notifying their donors (via their website) qualifies as slander? It's their website. Are they slandering themselves?

If something is true and verifiable, then it's a problem that needs to be dealt with. If a nonprofit is proactive about fixing its problems, then discussions like this one would never even happen.

You didn't answer my question, by the way. As a supporter of ECC, what's your responsibility to hold its leaders accountable? Do you have a greater obligation to do that than the forum members here, or less of an obligation?
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« Reply #76 on: June 15, 2018, 10:27:18 am »

Do you know any of the darlings personally, just wondering?

No, I don't. And if the people who do know MD & JD personally had cared enough to step in and intervene when things started getting out of hand, I wouldn't be posting about all this now.

Now, a question for you: since you appently do know him, and presumable love him, does that make your obligation to hold him accountable greater, or less?

It is just really interesting  to me that you don't know them, but you make all sorts of assumptions about them from other people you know, or the posts you read here. I don't know them super well.  I just find it awful how many people here love to speculate, slander, and gossip.  When i first started reading this forum it made me sick... its like reading poison.

I am going to take a guess that you attend one of the Minnesota GCM churches. I say that first because you say you are acquainted with MD and second because of your response to the forum and your accusation of slander and gossip are what members of the church are taught concerning anything that is said about church problems. It is a form of mind control used so that you will not question the leaders when things like this are exposed. I am so sorry.
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« Reply #77 on: June 15, 2018, 11:28:46 am »

I am going to take a guess that you attend one of the Minnesota GCM churches. I say that first because you say you are acquainted with MD and second because of your response to the forum and your accusation of slander and gossip are what members of the church are taught concerning anything that is said about church problems. It is a form of mind control used so that you will not question the leaders when things like this are exposed. I am so sorry.

Must not ask questions...must not doubt my leaders...must not hold accountable...must not think for myself...must follow dear leaders.
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« Reply #78 on: June 19, 2018, 12:45:52 pm »

In a spirit of fairness, here's a link to a new thread that discusses some mitigating circumstances concerning the revocation of The Salvage Project's tax-exempt status:

http://forum.gcmwarning.com/people-and-places-of-gc/salvage-project-experience/
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