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[Linda]

FYI: I’ve just been informed that Fox9 news will be doing an update at 9:00 pm tonight.

[HughHoney]

Thank you, Linda

[DarthVader]

Well, ECC can’t complain about the “unfortunate timing” of this story.

[OneOfMany]

I plan to watch this. Is there a link I need for the live stream?

[Huldah]

http://www.fox9.com/live

[Mapleleaf]

Well, if nothing else, MD and his followers can stop the story that they had no opportunity to tell their side of the story.  If he wanted to say something publicly, Fox9 again gave him an opportunity, and he again took a pass.

[DarthVader]

Well, I think for the casual observer who hasn't been close to this, Evergreen came off looking a lot better than is merited, which is to be expected from a 2-3 minute segment on the news. I'd guess the casual observer would give them credit for rescinding Mark's ordination, they didn't dwell on the fact he was offered a path back and gave ECC credit for Mark B stepping down as chairman of the board.  Just my opinion though.

The things we've all been discussing, such as the outrage of Mark being offered a path back despite impacting 5+ women and lying about it to the ECC investigator, the egregious lack of transparency of the report, the lack of any substantial consequences for the senior most pastors who let this happen, the minimizing of allegations to "inappropriate conversation", the lack of any personal outreach to the victims, the terrible self-serving, non-victim focused messages of Mark and Brent after the BoT decisions, all glossed over in a 3 minute story. Sigh - the media - sigh...

[GodisFaithful]

The big headline there is that Mark Darling resigned. Most people are not going to be interested in the nitty gritty.

Thank you for addressing the obvious, DV, stating that Mark Darling has been lying to his family, the church he has claimed to love so much, the world he has claimed to love so much, his fellow pastors, his accusers, and the investigator. It's sad, and sad that most of the Evergreen pastors do not seem to grasp the gravity of the situation. I pray they eventually will see more clearly where they have gone wrong.

I wish they would have seen the wisdom of getting help from outside of their little GC bubble.  It would do them a lot of good to get some outside help, not to shore up their reputation, but to build integrity into their organization.

 

[Rebel in a Good Way]

I read this thread before listening to the story, so my expectations were low.  For as much as I think ECC's response lacked, Tom Lyden made the consequences sound serious.  So at least the general message is that pastoral misconduct results in consequences.  And...Mark Bowen was mentioned by name, which is probably the worst consequence he's experienced.   Since the BOT gave him a slap on the wrist.

[Linda]

Article on Lyden’s Timeline.
https://www.facebook.com/196619667144195/posts/1071930756279744/

Same article on Fox9’s Facebook page. Both have different likes and comments.
https://www.facebook.com/77710564137/posts/10156568975314138/

[Digital Lynch Mob]

When the aggressive local reporter known for his hit pieces is more respectful of a church than the Christians on this board, maybe it's time to look in the mirror.

or Darth

That look when the aggressive local reporter shows more respect for your own church than you do.

[HughHoney]

DLM!? How is your credibility holding up these days?

[Huldah]

When the aggressive local reporter known for his hit pieces is more respectful of a church than the Christians on this board, maybe it's time to look in the mirror.

When you've consistently sided with the abuser, and sought to inflict additional pain on the victims and their supporters, maybe it's time to look in the mirror.

[OneOfMany]

When the aggressive local reporter known for his hit pieces is more respectful of a church than the Christians on this board, maybe it's time to look in the mirror.

or Darth

That look when the aggressive local reporter shows more respect for your own church than you do.

Perhaps being in the church and seeing first hand the abuses that go on gives us a better perspective to know how far reaching the problems are.

[Linda]

When the aggressive local reporter known for his hit pieces is more respectful of a church than the Christians on this board, maybe it's time to look in the mirror.

or Darth

That look when the aggressive local reporter shows more respect for your own church than you do.

DLM,
Do you know why the victims of the abuse have not been personally apologized to?

[Wrestling]

When the aggressive local reporter known for his hit pieces is more respectful of a church than the Christians on this board, maybe it's time to look in the mirror.

or Darth

That look when the aggressive local reporter shows more respect for your own church than you do.

Respect must be earned. It is not God given. Deeply painful accusations have been investigated and in that investigation found some terrible things to be true and only one pastor showed true remorse on Sunday and it wasn’t even the one who had a part in all this. This was not a blind spot. It’s sin. In order to earn respect they must repent of this sin to God and to these women. It’s nice that they apologized to their church. Where is the apology to the women? It’s as if some still don’t believe the women, and like some are only sorry this came up again.

Some at ECC have earned my respect. Some don’t deserve it. But my opinion isn’t nearly as valuable as Suzanne and the other victims.

Andy Gray chose bravery in a posture of brokenness. God bless him.

[GodisFaithful]

Wrestling,

It is reassuring and helpful to hear voices and sentiments like yours from within ECC.

Thanks.

[Wrestling]

Wrestling,

It is reassuring and helpful to hear voices and sentiments like yours from within ECC.

Thanks.

To be clear I am a former member. Sorry I didn’t make that clear! Which probably makes my sentiment mean even less to current members, oh well.

[GodisFaithful]

Oh well.

I appreciated what you said. I see it, too.

Imagine a world where former members were treated with TLC by EC leadership.

[DarthVader]

When the aggressive local reporter known for his hit pieces is more respectful of a church than the Christians on this board, maybe it's time to look in the mirror.

or Darth

That look when the aggressive local reporter shows more respect for your own church than you do.

Sorry DLM, I don't have a snappy comeback for you. I'm sorry people you clearly love and care about are suffering including all of Mark's family.  They don't deserve this and I hope you and their many friends are providing comfort and support to them in their hour of need.