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Linda
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« Reply #80 on: January 11, 2010, 06:35:02 pm »

Quote from: Tom Mauriello
I will gather a list of the GCMC churches and their board.  They are working on a website, but have not completed it.
I thought I would reopen this thread by posting on it. Tom Mauriello comes in at post #21.

Does anyone even know if he still works for GCM?

I always wondered why he stopped posting here. He promised to post a list of the churches and never bothered to get back to us. Of course, part of me wonders whether or not he was told to stop posting. I'm sure he's busy guy, but you would think that 2 years would be enough time to get back with a public posting of the churches and the link to the GCMC web page. It would be nice for him to stop by again, or, at least take down the comments about online detractors from the historical GC movement!
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« Reply #81 on: January 11, 2010, 09:31:02 pm »

Anyone know if GCM/GCMC pastors do the GCLI training? I think that would be telling.
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« Reply #82 on: July 04, 2011, 01:48:18 pm »

I had problems with both. I was on staff for a number of years and had problems. I was a member of a GCAC church while on staff and had problems there, too. When I was in training for staff (to learn how to raise support) we were told GCM is the mission arm of GCAC. When I write my intro I'll explain a bit more, but don't believe if someone says they're separate. On paper, yes....in locations, yes...but in interacting, no way.....we had a Pastor/Staff conference each year where GCM staffers and pastors from GCAC churches all attended & heard the same teachings from the same people. Don't buy it.
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« Reply #83 on: January 17, 2014, 10:27:39 am »

In case anyone is interested, GCM has made a more detailed attempt to distance themselves from GCC and discredit this site.

I wish to remind them that some of us are not anonymous. I also wish to encourage those of you who are anonymous to remain so. The truth does not depend upon who says it. Humble people who care about what they are teaching and practicing, will listen to criticism and ask themselves if there is truth in the statements. Humble people don't begin by trying to discredit others.

Here is the link:

http://www.gcmweb.org/who/OthersSay/Questions.aspx
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« Reply #84 on: January 17, 2014, 11:21:03 am »

In case anyone is interested, GCM has made a more detailed attempt to distance themselves from GCC and discredit this site.

I wish to remind them that some of us are not anonymous. I also wish to encourage those of you who are anonymous to remain so. The truth does not depend upon who says it. Humble people who care about what they are teaching and practicing, will listen to criticism and ask themselves if there is truth in the statements. Humble people don't begin by trying to discredit others.

Here is the link:

http://www.gcmweb.org/who/OthersSay/Questions.aspx

GCC, GCM... whatever.  I'm just glad I'm not there anymore. 

But I always wondered why that place kept changing their name and re-inventing themselves- small groups became home groups; home groups became life groups; life groups became cel groups; and on, and on and on...
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« Reply #85 on: January 17, 2014, 11:42:58 am »

Also, their statement: "There is an anonymous group online that identify their concerns with GCM or a “GCM Church”, but their concerns are not in fact with GCM as a mission organization and have not been directed to us. They misunderstand GCM today when they label any church as a “GCM church" is inaccurate.

Besides trying to throw GCC under the bus with that statement, GCM warning clearly states that GCM stands for "Great Commission Movement". Top of the page under welcome it says: "Welcome to De-Commissioned, a forum for former members of the Great Commission movement (aka GCM, GCC, GCAC, GCI, and the Blitz) to discuss problems they've experienced in the association's practices and theology."

To summarize their statement:

By their own admission, GCM was started by GCAC which is now GCC. There were some GCM churches but we now call those CCC churches. In addition, some GCM missionaries are on staff at GCC churches, but, don't worry about that. Also, the GCC pastor who started GCM as a branch of GCAC which as we know is now GCC sits on the national board of GCM, but the two organizations are not connected. In addition, a couple board members of CCC which used to be GCM churches go way back in the history of GCAC which is now GCC, but don't worry about that. In conclusion, don't listen to anonymous (or not so anonymous) bloggers.

Here is my response:

I am not anonymous. My issue with GCwhatever has to do with leaders telling people to give the controls of their lives to pastors and commit to the group for life. This is heresy. It is not a matter of reconciliation. It is a matter of sound doctrine. Matthew 18 does not apply to false teaching.

If GCwhatever cared about sound teaching, they would correct their heretical teaching and thank those who pointed it out. They would not try to ignore it and discredit the people pointing it out.



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« Reply #86 on: January 19, 2014, 04:52:56 pm »

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They misunderstand GCM today when they label any church as a “GCM church”

Splitting hairs.

It's interesting that, of all the criticisms leveled at GCx on this forum over the years, the only thing they chose to address is an insignificant technicality.

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We believe in the Biblical models of resolving conflicts, reconciliation and christian conciliation.

Once again, they make it about personal conflicts instead of doctrinal aberrations. You don't resolve bad doctrine by mediation. As Linda has pointed out, you don't reconcile with bad doctrine.

Anonymity isn't the issue. The issue is what they teach. Making anonymity an issue is merely an ad hominem attack.
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« Reply #87 on: January 20, 2014, 09:45:54 am »

Agreed, Huldah.

An interesting paragraph in the new blurb is this:

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Great Commission Ministries is organized as an integrated auxiliary of the Collegiate Church Network in accordance with our mission as a church-based ministry. This is a non-profit designation that allows us certain protections under the law which are necessary for our religious mission and purpose (for instance, using Christian doctrinal beliefs in our missionary hiring criteria).

If I am reading this correctly, in order to keep certain religious protections, GCM needs to be an auxiliary of a church. So, they are technically "under" the Collegiate Church Network. I'm guessing that prior to CCN being formed, they "technically" had to be under GCC in order to have those protections.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave...
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