Identification of ECC BOT with names

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[Greentruth]

Shinethelight, one question for you. Now that you have taken responsibility for posting some people’s names here, what will you do if your blonde or Prince send the emails or make the phone calls, or spread malicious content on here or other social media. What did they do to deserve your judgement and questioning? Other than Love their family and Church, and desires to serve where God has led them, what did they do to deserve your scrutiny. Odds are they probably haven’t even seen any evidence yet, IF these specific people even will. Your callous arrogance is well received here, but you will answer to a higher calling one day, and I pray you see the error in your thinking at some point. It just blows my mind someone would be this inconsiderate. But hey, your a big shot among your crowd, such will be the extent of your reward

[Greentruth]

On the contrary, I very much hope the BOT will do what's right, and I think it's perfectly within their capabilities. 

Asking for accountability is not the same as saying someone is corrupt.  If anything, as others have stated, accountability is a gift.  It helps us keep from going down the wrong path.

I’m sorry but that is an oxymoron being said here, keep from going down the wrong path. Mostly snake trails from what I see. Accountability? You have to be kidding. From here? This IS the fox watching the hen house

[ShineTheLight]

Shinethelight, one question for you. Now that you have taken responsibility for posting some people’s names here, what will you do if your blonde or Prince send the emails or make the phone calls, or spread malicious content on here or other social media. What did they do to deserve your judgement and questioning? Other than Love their family and Church, and desires to serve where God has led them, what did they do to deserve your scrutiny. Odds are they probably haven’t even seen any evidence yet, IF these specific people even will. Your callous arrogance is well received here, but you will answer to a higher calling one day, and I pray you see the error in your thinking at some point. It just blows my mind someone would be this inconsiderate. But hey, your a big shot among your crowd, such will be the extent of your reward

Hey GT, arguing with you serves no good purpose, in fact, every time you post, more people read the thread which seems counter to what you want.  Nonetheless,

1. I've made no judgment - please cite any you found in my posts
2. Arrogance to me is a few ECC big shots deciding the congregation can't handle knowing who is on their Board.  But we can agree to disagree.
3. Questions are good - they lead to knowledge and understanding
4. I'm sure if any BOT members get emails they don't like they can press "delete"

[Greentruth]

Might want to reread your first post. It’s amazing how you and others think anyone who is affiliated with an ECC Church is supposed to be able to take whatever you and others can throw at them.

[ShineTheLight]

Sorry - just not clear what you mean..beyond that you don't like my first post..

[Greentruth]

Ok, let me ask you,who are you that you think you have the right to question the people you posted, or to accuse someone of being to manipulated to even serve on the bot. What are your credentials in this?

[AgathaL'Orange]

Here’s my BOT investigation badge, and my license to post online.  I have additional documentation showing my certification in all fifty states, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the District of Columbia for the express purpose of reading Facebook posts and random internet conversations. 


Just in case you needed all our credentials and not just Shine the Lights.


STL, did you get in your continuing ed units for 2017 professional development?  Wouldn’t want your “Asking reasonable questions certificate” to lapse.


Sheesh these credentials sure came in handy today!

[Greentruth]

Just as I thought, nothing but self proclaimed admiration an ability to smear at will. Pretty funny though that you’re only credentials are hiding behind an anonymous key board smearing others. I should have known that is the only requirement

[ShineTheLight]

Ok, let me ask you,who are you that you think you have the right to question the people you posted, or to accuse someone of being to manipulated to even serve on the bot. What are your credentials in this?

Hey GreenTruth - let me answer the part of your question that I can understand - "who are you that you think you have the right to question.."

For the benefit of all in this forum who are sincerely trying to evaluate how our church is handling this situation, let me be as clear as I can

1. QUESTIONS ARE GOOD.  The answer or lack of an answer is always illuminating to all. I think everyone should feel free to ask their ECC leadership their own questions about this process or  feel free to use the questions I posted about the conflicts of interest on the Board - if we are a healthy church, we'll not be afraid of questions nor ashamed of our answers.
2. "Who are you that you think you have the right to question?" - Sums up perfectly the authoritarian mindset that has plagued GCM and ECC.  I am a tithing serving member of this church, a child of God, committed to drive healing and reconciliation in this world, and anytime I see an organization I am part of doing something questionable...I will question it!  (this probably answers the credentials part as well).

[Huldah]

Shinethelight, one question for you. Now that you have taken responsibility for posting some people’s names here, what will you do if your blonde or Prince send the emails or make the phone calls, or spread malicious content on here or other social media.

What has G_Prince got to do with Blonde's email? Have you ever known G_Prince to spread malicious content anywhere?

[AgathaL'Orange]

Wait I missed this comment!  G Prince has never done anything like that.  Never.

[Linda]

Agree, G_Prince has been a gentleman.

[Huldah]

Greentruth, there was no reason for you to suggest that G_Prince, of all the people on this forum, would suddenly start engaging in that kind of behavior. You owe him an apology.

[Rebel in a Good Way]

Agatha, I love a little humor on the forum.  

Here’s my BOT investigation badge, and my license to post online.  I have additional documentation showing my certification in all fifty states, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the District of Columbia for the express purpose of reading Facebook posts and random internet conversations. 


Just in case you needed all our credentials and not just Shine the Lights.


STL, did you get in your continuing ed units for 2017 professional development?  Wouldn’t want your “Asking reasonable questions certificate” to lapse.


Sheesh these credentials sure came in handy today!

[Greentruth]

I’ve heard enough horror stories from women in GCx (e.g. the present MD situation, etc.) to know that women have it much worse. I find it hard to imagine that any woman “happily” living the GCx lifestyle could truly be mentally well. But maybe there are women out there who really do enjoy being submissive to their husbands, being sexually available 24/7, and cranking out kids as fast as their bodies will allow.  

This is the type of rhetoric from prince I’m talking about. This, as I pointed out at the time, could be any Christian woman who loves God and their family. And not ONE of you objected. This is in the category of blonde, who I have also seen get a pass on this type defamation. You, or I don’t know what other actions are taken we don’t see, and are not called out. But I suppose all you loving Christian women are not bothered that your sisters are talked about this way?

[Shamednomore]

What G prince said is hardly defaming or dangerous in any way.  I felt that he was relating to the women who’s stories he has heard and supports.  As a women in gc I didn’t have a voice and was constantly told what to do and it caused many unhealthy destructive even suicidal behaviors for me.  I have also read other women’s stories on here stating the same thing.  So, was I mentally well within GC org?  no.  No.  It was extremely unhealthy for me and others.  G prince isn’t aggressively emailing and attacking anyone.  False narrative. 

[Greentruth]

You don’t know that for one, and It doesn’t surprise me that you defend his statement. I’m sorry you where hurt, but I don’t understand why after being hurt, your so eager to see it dished out to others. Prince is smearing my sisters in Christ, and I wouldn’t defend any such statement from anyone

[LisaFeist]

GTA

"And as I have said many times here before, there is a long standing belief by many on this forum that all of leadership of GCx, and apparently the BOT of ECC are corrupt,wrong, evil, unethical, etc.  That this large group of pastors and BOT members will do whatever it takes to provide some major "cover-up" of wrong doings. "

I appreciate that you said "many" and not "all". But I would disagree with you completely. I think many on here do believe that there are leaders or even members who would stand up for injustices, even if it is against "the grain". Although it may not be happening now, (as the "investigation" isn't complete) I think it is clear to many people within the church that the Minneapolis crew/board members etc. have handled this all wrong. More and more people are only going to continue to stand up for what is right. This is not tearing the church down, this is to make the church better. To make it healthy and whole again.  I have much love and respect for many within the movement. And an even greater respect for those shaking their heads saying "this just isn't right". People don't need to be afraid to go against the grain when you feel in your soul it is wrong. (Although I don't blame anyone for not daring to stand up when you see the gross backlash of anyone who doesn't agree with them)

There is NO reason the names of the board should not be released. STL is spot on here. And to say it isn't a problem that board members have close personal relationships with those in question, and that there wouldn't be bias, is well, ridiculous. That does NOT mean that I think they would do everything in their power to cover up a situation (I completely believe some of them have got to be torn) It means that it is biased, that simple. If I was on trial in the court of law I wouldn't want my jury to consist fully of people who had relationships with my accuser. I mean, that is so obvious and basic and simple.  

[Rebel in a Good Way]

Lisa, are saying that there are current ECC members who are feeling convicted that things haven't been dealt with correctly and that they are going to start asking for transparency and accountability from their leaders? 

I ask because people from the outside can call attention to problems and possibly warn other people away, but it will take pressure from the inside for the leaders to consider any changes.

GTA

"And as I have said many times here before, there is a long standing belief by many on this forum that all of leadership of GCx, and apparently the BOT of ECC are corrupt,wrong, evil, unethical, etc.  That this large group of pastors and BOT members will do whatever it takes to provide some major "cover-up" of wrong doings. "

I appreciate that you said "many" and not "all". But I would disagree with you completely. I think many on here do believe that there are leaders or even members who would stand up for injustices, even if it is against "the grain". Although it may not be happening now, (as the "investigation" isn't complete) I think it is clear to many people within the church that the Minneapolis crew/board members etc. have handled this all wrong. More and more people are only going to continue to stand up for what is right. This is not tearing the church down, this is to make the church better. To make it healthy and whole again.  I have much love and respect for many within the movement. And an even greater respect for those shaking their heads saying "this just isn't right". People don't need to be afraid to go against the grain when you feel in your soul it is wrong. (Although I don't blame anyone for not daring to stand up when you see the gross backlash of anyone who doesn't agree with them)

There is NO reason the names of the board should not be released. STL is spot on here. And to say it isn't a problem that board members have close personal relationships with those in question, and that there wouldn't be bias, is well, ridiculous. That does NOT mean that I think they would do everything in their power to cover up a situation (I completely believe some of them have got to be torn) It means that it is biased, that simple. If I was on trial in the court of law I wouldn't want my jury to consist fully of people who had relationships with my accuser. I mean, that is so obvious and basic and simple.  

[Badger]

If you are going a church that preaches wives be available sexually available to their husbands 24x7 you may be in a cult.

Keep up your caterwauling Greentruth.  LOL