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[Badger]

This is not a worldly court, these are Christians, God fearing, praying, honest, men and women with great integrity.

Wait to see how ECC deals with this, what the Pastors say.

All of this speculation and criticizing of the  situation that you know so, so little about is poor judgement.

You don't even attend the church.

As someone who attends The Church, I would like mention that we are the same body.  It is scriptural that when one part of the body suffers so do the other parts.

If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it. - 1 Corinthians 12:26

What your pastors have said and what they haven't said is what our discussion is all about.  The allegations coming forward are not supportive of your pastors being honest men full of integrity.

Those of us who you think are against you are merely supporting the voice of the women who claim to be victimized by your church (Evergreen) and your pastors.  I don't see the poor judgement in that.  Neither do I see poor judgement in questioning the integrity of the process in which it is being handled as Evergreen is a member of The Church.

I would say it is poor judgement to continue to ridicule and bully the women who have come forward with allegations.

Please take your own advice and wait if that is what you think is best.  Silence on social media is what your association of churches advocates for anyway, especially when anonymous voices are present.

[Rebel in a Good Way]

I'm perfectly comfortable with other people reading all of this.

Thank you all for showing your true colors here. I would not have been able to show just how you view Gods people, brothers and sisters. And  I’m happy to continue showing the truth of this form, for those who has yet experienced how low it goes here

I have never made comments like a Prince or blonde, but have just shared what is obvious to most, that this is not a healthy place to be. But as long as you cut down a Church and people I Love, I will continue to expose the caterwauling here. Hulda, just a term always used growing up of annoying people who just love to hear themselves talk. Enjoy your evening, and Happy caterwauling

AGREED....how rude, mocking and condescending you all can be, and you don't even see it.  Not once have any of us ECC folks mocked you in this way, in multiples, like the 6 of you are doing now.  It is quite telling of your hearts, that is what GT meant.  So we are happy in moments like this, as it shows others that visit here the state of your hearts.  And another good point was brought up again by Hulduh, not all on this forum are believers.  This forum is not a Christian forum in any sense of the word.  People need to keep seeing this truth as well. 

[Huldah]

GTA, what was Elijah's heart when he mocked the prophets of Baal? "Why isn't your Baal setting that offering on fire? Is he busy taking a leak?"

I'm not saying that you're on the level of the prophets of Baal. I believe that at least some of you who are here from ECC are genuine believers, and as such, I wish we didn't have to be at odds with each other. But if someone is going to come to this forum where there are so many thoughtful, honest posts, addressing some very serious issues within your church movement, and then she answers those posts with a dismissive and mocking term like "caterwauling," why should she expect to be treated with deference?

[blonde]

By the way this is for Jeromy Darling and others on this BLOG, Blonde does not do BOTS. She/he/it does not do nasty-grams. The truth will prevail about Papa Darling, and how he has hurt many women...how he is a sexual abuser and Mark Darling is a sex addict.

re: susan van dyck...

"Since story of my abuse aired on FOX9, another victim of CSA by pastor Mark Darling has come forward. She 2 experienced cover up by other pastors at Evergreen Church. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YlkGF9-GPlfrdQ_6cDPHDjzfiEXqMU2hYHpHqgweg0A/edit?usp=sharing … #MeToo #churchtoo @deethibodeau @KenRoth"

Good-bye Darling family; good-bye $100 million dollars; good bye Jeromy Darling's world-wide ministry to protect children/women/the abused. Look no further than home and ask PAPA DARLING to repent and not abuse women, a 19-year-old woman like Susan VanDyke.

[blonde]

The url for that new abused woman is here:

https://twitter.com/notabystandermn/status/998530154392621056

In full: Since story of my abuse aired on FOX9, another victim of CSA by pastor Mark Darling has come forward. She 2 experienced cover up by other pastors at Evergreen Church. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YlkGF9-GPlfrdQ_6cDPHDjzfiEXqMU2hYHpHqgweg0A/edit?usp=sharing … #MeToo #churchtoo @deethibodeau @KenRoth @chasingphoto @AquiRosemarie @LoriAnneThomps2 @

And that did not happen either, right, Jeromy? Papa is not a sexual predator? Papa Darling needs to retire, repent and you too, retire. Sexual predators need not apply.

-Blonde

[Greentruth]

GTA, what was Elijah's heart when he mocked the prophets of Baal? "Why isn't your Baal setting that offering on fire? Is he busy taking a leak?"

I'm not saying that you're on the level of the prophets of Baal. I believe that at least some of you who are here from ECC are genuine believers, and as such, I wish we didn't have to be at odds with each other. But if someone is going to come to this forum where there are so many thoughtful, honest posts, addressing some very serious issues within your church movement, and then she answers those posts with a dismissive and mocking term like "caterwauling," why should she expect to be treated with deference?

Hulda, if it bothers you that I use the word caterwauling, but not the insinuations like a Prince made at Christian family women or blonde complete disregard for anyone at ECC,it is very telling. You say we are brothers and sisters in Christ yet you advocate and participate in the degradation of any and all involved at ECC. I speak from over twenty years of experience with these people and not once saw anything accused here. From most every story Ihave heard from this form people have pushed their agenda to the point of being asked to leave, another act I never once saw. I saw one perso askedto leave for not leaving the women alone but that’s it. This deal with Suzanne is tearing the Church apart, and mostly from assumptions, rhetoric andbasicly lies. Maybe I haven’t been as loving as I expect from self, as I have noticed that after spending time here I’m not myself, which is one reason this isn’t a healthy place for anyone. I do believe the majority here are exited to seethe Church suffer which bothers me the most. I see the most gleeful attitudes when the most pain is being pushed. I’m sorry for my disrespect of calling those gleeful people caterwauling annoying people, as it isn’t the best way to describe what I see. I won’t use it anymore, just for you. If people genuinely want to see the best for the Church, and I mean every Church, they would be well served leaving out the horrendous rhetoric such as I have explained. Once again, forgive me as I desire to hurt no one. After leaving the forum last night I was reading in Luke 6 and was convicted. It wouldn’t hurt for a few here to read, as this was Jesus words. And read as if to yourself, not on how to use against others as I did. Peace

[Greentruth]

Badger?  You say you attend an ECC Church, yet you refer to it as your Church and your association of Churches. It would seem you attend to get what info you can from a service or congregation, and then come here and under hiding use it against the Church. I don’t even attend ECC at this time and come here to defend the kind, loving and Spirit filled people, because the are my brothers and sisters in Christ. It saddens my heart that some take pride in turning the Church against the Church. Simply put, so few here are trusting these God loving people to hold their Church they love to account, and grow from this to make the Church stronger and more aware of what has caused this pain they all are experiencing. A little patience will go a long way for everyone involved, except for those that want to see the Church damaged, or I would even say destroyed. If your actually for the Church to heal, you will have patience in allowing a God to work through this situation, using it for good.  The bad s not for good, and the good is not for bad. Most details in this current issue involving the bot and everyone on both sides has even been revealed as yet. I pray you all would give the process a chance to work before manipulating it.

[Huldah]

By the way this is for Jeromy Darling and others on this BLOG, Blonde does not do BOTS. She/he/it does not do nasty-grams. The truth will prevail about Papa Darling, and how he has hurt many women...how he is a sexual abuser and Mark Darling is a sex addict.

Blonde, am I understanding you correctly? That you did not send any harassing emails to any of the Darlings, ever? Up till now, you haven't commented on this, so I assumed the accusations were true. If I was wrong about that, I apologize. But please clarify this for me and for others. GTA says that there were hundreds of these emails and that the sending IP was traced to you.

[Huldah]

You say we are brothers and sisters in Christ yet you advocate and participate in the degradation of any and all involved at ECC.

I have never done such a thing. It's true that I don't think much of the way your leadership is handling this. It's true that I believe Mark is guilty. It's true that I'm appalled at the behavior of some of the ECC people who've come to this forum. Jeromy, for instance, accused us of "spiritual masturbation." Why did no one from ECC call him out for such crude, vile, vulgar language? Are you all afraid of him (and what does that say about the environment at your church, if it's true)? Or do you agree with him? Are you secretly cheering him on? Whatever the reason is, it's apparent that anything we former GC people do will get interpreted in the worst possible light, whereas anything your own people do gets a pass.

But it doesn't matter any more. For your sake as well as mine, I will no longer be interacting with your posts. I'll read them, but answering them just seems to draw us into a fruitless argument. I wish you well, sincerely.

[Badger]

Badger?  You say you attend an ECC Church, yet you refer to it as your Church and your association of Churches. It would seem you attend to get what info you can from a service or congregation, and then come here and under hiding use it against the Church. I don’t even attend ECC at this time and come here to defend the kind, loving and Spirit filled people, because the are my brothers and sisters in Christ.

I never have said that I attend or have attended ECC Greentruth.  Perhaps you are confusing me with DV? 

If the allegations of multiple women are true, you are attacking victims and attempting to silence them and obstruct justice.  If the allegations of multiple women are true, the pastors involved are not kind or loving.  I am only supporting the women bringing forth allegations, I am not attacking good kind hearted laity at ECC.  If laity at ECC is complicit with the abuse or supporting an abusive system then I do not stand with them in that regard.

If the allegations are true, the burden of harm needs to be placed on Mark Darling and the pastors directly responsible for pepetuation of continued abuse they were made aware of.

Your I didn't see any abuse therefore it didn't happen is dangerous Greentruth.  More dangerous and destructive than caterwauling.  Assuming your caterwauling is even present.

[Greentruth]

Your right Hulda, as you and I will never come to agreeable conclusions. Let me make one thing clear, as I don’t speak from or for ECC. I’m simply a Christian that spent over twenty years at an ECC Church and never experienced any of what has been accused against ECC. I speak here because all Church is under attack in this country, and the weight of that is taking a huge toll on any attempts to evangelize, of which Ihave been involved in for almost thirty years. Having many friends from ECC that are also involved in some of the ministries that I am, I heard of what was happening here on this form and social media.

Having said that I will answer your question concerning MD, Jeromyand their families. I don’t recall the specific statement you shared from Jeromy, but do acknowledge that it was rough, even if true to an extent. I also know the level of attack on MD and his family from this forum for many years,specifically blonde and others, that has taken a huge toll on them, even effecting some health issues. With the degree of those attacks, along with the yet to be determined accusations against MD, I can see why Jeromy would have responded, and also saw his pleading for some recognition to the facts him and his family have contrary to the accusations. I don’t know what married women with children did to Prince or what justification blonde has to continue his extreme attacks on MD and his family, but I doubt it’s even close.

And now I see some members of the bot being slandered and misrepresented. It will ever end here, that is obvious. The self stated fact that this forum is not a Christian  forum is quite obvious, and sad that anyone would use it’s content to make any logical decision of any of this. It is truly sad that so little discretion from a Christian standpoint is used here. And I’m certain this grieves our Loving Father.

[Greentruth]

Badger?  You say you attend an ECC Church, yet you refer to it as your Church and your association of Churches. It would seem you attend to get what info you can from a service or congregation, and then come here and under hiding use it against the Church. I don’t even attend ECC at this time and come here to defend the kind, loving and Spirit filled people, because the are my brothers and sisters in Christ.

I never have said that I attend or have attended ECC Greentruth.  Perhaps you are confusing me with DV? 

If the allegations of multiple women are true, you are attacking victims and attempting to silence them and obstruct justice.  If the allegations of multiple women are true, the pastors involved are not kind or loving.  I am only supporting the women bringing forth allegations, I am not attacking good kind hearted laity at ECC.  If laity at ECC is complicit with the abuse or supporting an abusive system then I do not stand with them in that regard.

If the allegations are true, the burden of harm needs to be placed on Mark Darling and the pastors directly responsible for pepetuation of continued abuse they were made aware of.

Your I didn't see any abuse therefore it didn't happen is dangerous Greentruth.  More dangerous and destructive than caterwauling.  Assuming your caterwauling is even present.

Go back to your last post and read the beginning. As someone who attends the Church?

[Linda]

This deal with Suzanne is tearing the Church apart, and mostly from assumptions, rhetoric and basically lies.

Of course, some would rephrase that and replace Suzanne's name with MD and/or any pastors who covered up abuse.

If the allegations are true, the only people doing damage to ECC, are the people who did the bad stuff, not the victims.

And, no, the truth does not tear the Church (big C) apart. The gates of hell will not prevail against the true Church.

[Badger]

Badger?  You say you attend an ECC Church, yet you refer to it as your Church and your association of Churches. It would seem you attend to get what info you can from a service or congregation, and then come here and under hiding use it against the Church. I don’t even attend ECC at this time and come here to defend the kind, loving and Spirit filled people, because the are my brothers and sisters in Christ.

I never have said that I attend or have attended ECC Greentruth.  Perhaps you are confusing me with DV? 

If the allegations of multiple women are true, you are attacking victims and attempting to silence them and obstruct justice.  If the allegations of multiple women are true, the pastors involved are not kind or loving.  I am only supporting the women bringing forth allegations, I am not attacking good kind hearted laity at ECC.  If laity at ECC is complicit with the abuse or supporting an abusive system then I do not stand with them in that regard.

If the allegations are true, the burden of harm needs to be placed on Mark Darling and the pastors directly responsible for pepetuation of continued abuse they were made aware of.

Your I didn't see any abuse therefore it didn't happen is dangerous Greentruth.  More dangerous and destructive than caterwauling.  Assuming your caterwauling is even present.

Go back to your last post and read the beginning. As someone who attends the Church?

I said I was a member of The Church - the universal church, the holy catholic church mentioned in the apostle's Creed, eklessia, etc.  Look at my statement again.

As someone who attends The Church, I would like mention that we are the same body.  It is scriptural that when one part of the body suffers so do the other parts.

If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it. - 1 Corinthians 12:26

I followed the above statement by referring to your pastors, meaning they are not mine because I am not a member of Evergreen Church.

[Greentruth]

This deal with Suzanne is tearing the Church apart, and mostly from assumptions, rhetoric and basically lies.

Of course, some would rephrase that and replace Suzanne's name with MD and/or any pastors who covered up abuse.

If the allegations are true, the only people doing damage to ECC, are the people who did the bad stuff, not the victims.

And, no, the truth does not tear the Church (big C) apart. The gates of hell will not prevail against the true Church.

That is a big IF and if the attack on the church Isn’t fro hell, where is it from? Fellow Christians? And speaking of attacks against the Church in general, but including here, which is worse as it is under the disguise of Christian based from  a self defined non Christian forum. Absurd to believe you can stand hand in hand with non believers in judgement of any church or any Christian

[Badger]

This deal with Suzanne is tearing the Church apart, and mostly from assumptions, rhetoric and basically lies.

Of course, some would rephrase that and replace Suzanne's name with MD and/or any pastors who covered up abuse.

If the allegations are true, the only people doing damage to ECC, are the people who did the bad stuff, not the victims.

And, no, the truth does not tear the Church (big C) apart. The gates of hell will not prevail against the true Church.

That is a big IF and if the attack on the church Isn’t fro hell, where is it from? Fellow Christians? And speaking of attacks against the Church in general, but including here, which is worse as it is under the disguise of Christian based from  a self defined non Christian forum. Absurd to believe you can stand hand in hand with non believers in judgement of any church or any Christian

I cannot say what will happen to Evergreen.  I cannot say why it is happening now.  Satan and attacks from outside are not only possibility though.

11For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 1 Corinthians 3:11-13

Any foundation that is layed on anything other than Jesus will eventually be burned away.  Satan is not the fire starter here, God is.

[Badger]

This deal with Suzanne is tearing the Church apart, and mostly from assumptions, rhetoric and basically lies.

Of course, some would rephrase that and replace Suzanne's name with MD and/or any pastors who covered up abuse.

If the allegations are true, the only people doing damage to ECC, are the people who did the bad stuff, not the victims.

And, no, the truth does not tear the Church (big C) apart. The gates of hell will not prevail against the true Church.

That is a big IF and if the attack on the church Isn’t fro hell, where is it from? Fellow Christians? And speaking of attacks against the Church in general, but including here, which is worse as it is under the disguise of Christian based from  a self defined non Christian forum. Absurd to believe you can stand hand in hand with non believers in judgement of any church or any Christian

I will stand hand in hand with people in the church and outside the church to confront injustice and abuse whether it happens in or outside of a church Greentruth.

[ShineTheLight]

Still looking for the name of the recently appointed woman for Lakeville BOT. If anyone can help it would be appreciated. I think we’ve all learned a lot from knowing the names of the other 4. And I hate to leave a job undone. Just to be clear no one is looking to harass her. Just interested to see if there are interesting Darling or Bowen connections given she is the only BOT member appointed after this all came out and given we’ve already turned up some conflicts of interest. Peace.

[Huldah]

I will stand hand in hand with people in the church and outside the church to confront injustice and abuse whether it happens in or outside of a church Greentruth.

And this, I think, is part of the holiness that will support evangelism and draw people to the church. Not fake perfection that rushes to hide the sins of the leaders, but a willingness to root out abuse and injustice even if it means ousting a star pastor (or youth leader, or music minister, or whatever).

How much easier would it be to evangelize women if they knew that church could be counted on as a safe haven from the bombardment of unwelcome sexual attention they face in the world? How many might be drawn to Christ if the church had a reputation for treating women with respect?

Satan is attacking the church, but he's doing it through those leaders who use and abuse the most vulnerable members for their own gratification. The victims who speak up are not the people who are attacking the church; they are the church, just as much as the people in power are. The pastors and ministers and trustees who exploit their position and then try to cover it up are the ones who are attacking the church and driving unbelievers away from Christ.

[Rebel in a Good Way]

I love Badger's heart in this statement, and your heart in this repsonse.

Honestly, evangelism of this kind has been much more effective for me than handing out soda and tracts on the beach at HSLT. 

I will stand hand in hand with people in the church and outside the church to confront injustice and abuse whether it happens in or outside of a church Greentruth.

And this, I think, is part of the holiness that will support evangelism and draw people to the church. Not fake perfection that rushes to hide the sins of the leaders, but a willingness to root out abuse and injustice even if it means ousting a star pastor (or youth leader, or music minister, or whatever).

How much easier would it be to evangelize women if they knew that church could be counted on as a safe haven from the bombardment of unwelcome sexual attention they face in the world? How many might be drawn to Christ if the church had a reputation for treating women with respect?

Satan is attacking the church, but he's doing it through those leaders who use and abuse the most vulnerable members for their own gratification. The victims who speak up are not the people who are attacking the church; they are the church, just as much as the people in power are. The pastors and ministers and trustees who exploit their position and then try to cover it up are the ones who are attacking the church and driving unbelievers away from Christ.