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[Faith]

I brought this up on another forum as well (and I believe someone else also brought it up, but I can no longer find the original post).

Jeromy has said that "NO OTHER NAMES HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE INVESTIGATION." Does this mean that the Darling's are in contact with the investigators and the board? Is Mark in regular communication with the board on updates to the investigation proceedings? If so, is Suzanne also provided updates?

I struggle to see how Mark's supporters would still consider this to be a third party investigation if he is provided regular updates on the case.

If he is not provided updates, then Jeromy would not know if other names have been submitted.

Some clarification here from the Darlings would be welcome and I would kindly ask that commentators do not say that the board is still a third party, if in fact the Darlings are involved in the proceedings or given updates. Those things cannot both be true and I have no interest in debating that point.

[jeromydaviddarling]

My goodness. There are no other victims. Therefore no real names have been submitted. I know this from available evidence NOT BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATOR TOLD ME SO. Suzanne's defenders are literally taking her nearly anonymous posts as Gospel truth. No other victims posting any other stories but exclusively through Suzanne and not one of you wants to admit how strange that is? We all know every user on this board hates my dad and you prove it every time you bite on this garbage

[Free now]

I don’t hate your dad. Everyone on this forum doesn’t hate him, either; that’s simply not true. In Christ he is my brother and he remains in my prayers and the prayers of many.

[Linda]

Jeromy,

I think what confused some of us was your post last night when you said:

NO OTHER NAMES HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE INVESTIGATION. NOT. ONE. All Suzanne did was send her fake victim names to the investigator, which no lawyer would take as evidence BECAUSE THEY CAN'T INTERVIEW PEOPLE WHO REFUSE TO DISCLOSE THEIR IDENTITY.

And for the record, this investigator is not only digging deep into my father's life, she's digging deep into John and Suzanne's. Since almost no one on this board has ever met John or Suzanne, or even knows what they've been doing for the last 17 years since leaving Berlin, you might want to rethink how hard you support someone who's reputation you don't know at all. My dad has the finest reputation of any man I know and pretty soon the world is going to see how deep the chasm is between my father and Suzanne.

You spoke with authority when you said "Not. One." name had been submitted, as if you knew that for a fact. Also, you said "And for the record, this investigator in not only digging deep into my father's life, she's digging deep into John and Suzanne's."

Am I correct in assuming you were guessing that no victim statements had been submitted.

Also, am I correct that you were just assuming that the investigator was digging deep into the past of John and Suzanne.

I guess a direct question would be: Has anyone (ECC member, ECC pastor, family member) given you any specific information regarding the progress of the investigation, how it is being conducted, or what victims, if any, have come forth?

Just trying to understand your comment last night.

[Shamednomore]

So either you are guessing but making it sound as if it is a fact, or you have actually been told this information by a non-independent investigator.

[bourneforHim]

Once again, the term  Third Party Independent investigation is being used.  Suzanne claims there isn't one. There's only the lawyer ECC has hired to perform THEIR investigation.  By LAW ECC's attorney is bound to represent ECC not be independent.  The results want to be their property and to be undisclosed, yet godtrumpsall is worried about Suzanne being in control.  Suzanne has offered for a mutually agreed upon third party such as GRACE ministries to perform the investigation but as of yet has not gotten a reply from ECC.  If this is not true, please correct me!

[jeromydaviddarling]

Do you guys honestly only read half what of what I'm writing?? Let me quote myself:

I know this from available evidence NOT BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATOR TOLD ME SO.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTACT WHATSOEVER WITH THE INVESTIGATOR AND LIKELY WON'T EVEN BE INTERVIEWED AS EYEWITNESSES

Is. That. Clear. Enough. For. Everyone?

I KNOW no names have been submitted because the evidence points exclusively to Suzanne making all of the victims up. I'm not GUESSING. Every single inch of evidence I've presented points exclusively to a calculated hit job that's only convinced a tiny remnant of humans who somehow have managed to STEAL my father's digital reputation and destroy it.

[jeromydaviddarling]

I don’t hate your dad. Everyone on this forum doesn’t hate him, either; that’s simply not true. In Christ he is my brother and he remains in my prayers and the prayers of many.

But you've never defended him on a website that has slandered him for years. So you've given tacit approval to his hatred and demonization. But I'm glad you pray for you enemies, I'll add that as the ONLY Biblical thing I've read on this website before I started posting...

[Faith]

"because the evidence points exclusively to Suzanne making all of the victims up"

That may not be a guess to you Jeromy, but it is an inference and therefore not a fact.

I am so sorry, I cannot imagine the pain you and your family must be going through right now.

[Linda]

Jeromy,

Sometimes we ask questions for clarification not because we didn't read what you wrote, but because we are not sure we understood what you wrote.

WE DO HAVE ANY CONTACT WHATSOEVER WITH THE INVESTIGATOR AND LIKELY WON'T EVEN BE INTERVIEWED AS EYEWITNESSES

I think you meant to say you DO NOT HAVE ANY CONTACT, right?

I did actually read this:

I know this from available evidence NOT BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATOR TOLD ME SO.

and that is why I asked my question.

I don't know how "available evidence" would lead you to know for certain what the investigator was "digging deep into".

I do not hate your father. My disagreement is with ECC/GC teaching. I do not believe that criticism of public teaching, whether or not it's GC, Bill Johnson, Joel Osteen, Mark Darling, or John Piper is slander. Nor, do I hate any people I criticize. Theologians, pastors, politicians, authors, whoever. Disagreeing publicly with public teaching is not slander. Every time I disagree with Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, or John Piper, I don't have to contact them to let them know I disagree. Nor do I wish them ill when I disagree.

[omelianchuk]

  she is a well liked prof (per reviews) that teaches on ethics.  Just sayin. 

Uh oh. Beware of those ethics teachers. They don't return their library books. 

[Free now]

I have prayed for my enemies in my life, but Mark is definitely not one of them.
As I said before, believing Scout and the others’ stories and caring about Mark are not mutually exclusive.
Praying for you all.

[zeal4god]

Do you guys honestly only read half what of what I'm writing?? Let me quote myself:

I know this from available evidence NOT BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATOR TOLD ME SO.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTACT WHATSOEVER WITH THE INVESTIGATOR AND LIKELY WON'T EVEN BE INTERVIEWED AS EYEWITNESSES

Is. That. Clear. Enough. For. Everyone?

I KNOW no names have been submitted because the evidence points exclusively to Suzanne making all of the victims up. I'm not GUESSING. Every single inch of evidence I've presented points exclusively to a calculated hit job that's only convinced a tiny remnant of humans who somehow have managed to STEAL my father's digital reputation and destroy it.

Jeromy, you are unhinged. Plain and simple. You are doing your family more harm than good.

[jeromydaviddarling]

Do you guys honestly only read half what of what I'm writing?? Let me quote myself:

I know this from available evidence NOT BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATOR TOLD ME SO.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTACT WHATSOEVER WITH THE INVESTIGATOR AND LIKELY WON'T EVEN BE INTERVIEWED AS EYEWITNESSES

Is. That. Clear. Enough. For. Everyone?

I KNOW no names have been submitted because the evidence points exclusively to Suzanne making all of the victims up. I'm not GUESSING. Every single inch of evidence I've presented points exclusively to a calculated hit job that's only convinced a tiny remnant of humans who somehow have managed to STEAL my father's digital reputation and destroy it.

Jeromy, you are unhinged. Plain and simple. You are doing your family more harm than good.

STEALING MY FATHER'S EMAIL HANDLE TO POST ON THIS WEBSITE IS THE DEFINITION OF TROLLING. It's the #1 reason no one will believe what you're posting and the #1 reason I won't take any advice from you.

[zeal4god]

Do you guys honestly only read half what of what I'm writing?? Let me quote myself:

I know this from available evidence NOT BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATOR TOLD ME SO.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTACT WHATSOEVER WITH THE INVESTIGATOR AND LIKELY WON'T EVEN BE INTERVIEWED AS EYEWITNESSES

Is. That. Clear. Enough. For. Everyone?

I KNOW no names have been submitted because the evidence points exclusively to Suzanne making all of the victims up. I'm not GUESSING. Every single inch of evidence I've presented points exclusively to a calculated hit job that's only convinced a tiny remnant of humans who somehow have managed to STEAL my father's digital reputation and destroy it.

Jeromy, you are unhinged. Plain and simple. You are doing your family more harm than good.

STEALING MY FATHER'S EMAIL HANDLE TO POST ON THIS WEBSITE IS THE DEFINITION OF TROLLING. It's the #1 reason no one will believe what you're posting and the #1 reason I won't take any advice from you.

Nope, not stealing anything. I've used this handle for years. And it's about time you learned how to use the CAPS LOCK key. I don't think you know the meaning of it.

[GretchenGail]

Are you kidding me "zeal4god" - you have serious stalker qualities, similar to Blonde. Blonde is the guy on here who has sent me, my husband and my father in-law sexually explicit e-mail blasts (sometimes dozens a day) and was once hiding behind the user name DarkMarling and used that as an e-mail address too.  You're using my father in-laws e-mail address for your forum profile.  Should we not question your sanity; you do know that's not normal.  Also something that is NOT NORMAL, posting on forums with fake names...I told my mom about this forum and she was like, "is this a joke?"  Nope - Online Maury Povich

[jeromydaviddarling]

Jeromy,

Sometimes we ask questions for clarification not because we didn't read what you wrote, but because we are not sure we understood what you wrote.

WE DO HAVE ANY CONTACT WHATSOEVER WITH THE INVESTIGATOR AND LIKELY WON'T EVEN BE INTERVIEWED AS EYEWITNESSES

I think you meant to say you DO NOT HAVE ANY CONTACT, right?

I did actually read this:

I know this from available evidence NOT BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATOR TOLD ME SO.

and that is why I asked my question.

I don't know how "available evidence" would lead you to know for certain what the investigator was "digging deep into".

I do not hate your father. My disagreement is with ECC/GC teaching. I do not believe that criticism of public teaching, whether or not it's GC, Bill Johnson, Joel Osteen, Mark Darling, or John Piper is slander. Nor, do I hate any people I criticize. Theologians, pastors, politicians, authors, whoever. Disagreeing publicly with public teaching is not slander. Every time I disagree with Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, or John Piper, I don't have to contact them to let them know I disagree. Nor do I wish them ill when I disagree.

You continue posting on a website that has castigated my father more than any other pastor in our movement. You've never once rebuked anyone for doing it. That means you approve of the behavior and also agree with their sentiments, ergo - you hate my father.

And for the record, when you disagree with a public figure - NO ONE EVEN NEEDS TO KNOW. The fact that you think your opinion about a pastor or politician, posted on a website, is valuable to the world is the height of hubris. You've never run a church and don't have the first idea how to. Leaving me to conclude that the only reason you continue posting on this website is for your own personal validation and self gratitude. In fact, since everyone on this site seems so interested in the latest spiritual topics and terms, let me introduce a new one here: spiritual masturbation. Cause that's all this forum is. And lest you think that's harsh, let me remind you what Paul told the Galatian church when they kept insisting that believers be circumcised:

Galatians 5:12
"I just wish that those troublemakers who want to mutilate you by circumcision would mutilate themselves."

[GretchenGail]

Do you guys honestly only read half what of what I'm writing?? Let me quote myself:

I know this from available evidence NOT BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATOR TOLD ME SO.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTACT WHATSOEVER WITH THE INVESTIGATOR AND LIKELY WON'T EVEN BE INTERVIEWED AS EYEWITNESSES

Is. That. Clear. Enough. For. Everyone?

I KNOW no names have been submitted because the evidence points exclusively to Suzanne making all of the victims up. I'm not GUESSING. Every single inch of evidence I've presented points exclusively to a calculated hit job that's only convinced a tiny remnant of humans who somehow have managed to STEAL my father's digital reputation and destroy it.

Jeromy, you are unhinged. Plain and simple. You are doing your family more harm than good.

STEALING MY FATHER'S EMAIL HANDLE TO POST ON THIS WEBSITE IS THE DEFINITION OF TROLLING. It's the #1 reason no one will believe what you're posting and the #1 reason I won't take any advice from you.

Nope, not stealing anything. I've used this handle for years. And it's about time you learned how to use the CAPS LOCK key. I don't think you know the meaning of it.

I suggest no one respond to zeal4god = this is seriously creepy and disgusting.  And people wonder why we question the people on this forums sanity.  Ish

[Differentstrokes]

Yikes.

[jeromydaviddarling]

Do you guys honestly only read half what of what I'm writing?? Let me quote myself:

I know this from available evidence NOT BECAUSE THE INVESTIGATOR TOLD ME SO.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTACT WHATSOEVER WITH THE INVESTIGATOR AND LIKELY WON'T EVEN BE INTERVIEWED AS EYEWITNESSES

Is. That. Clear. Enough. For. Everyone?

I KNOW no names have been submitted because the evidence points exclusively to Suzanne making all of the victims up. I'm not GUESSING. Every single inch of evidence I've presented points exclusively to a calculated hit job that's only convinced a tiny remnant of humans who somehow have managed to STEAL my father's digital reputation and destroy it.

Jeromy, you are unhinged. Plain and simple. You are doing your family more harm than good.

STEALING MY FATHER'S EMAIL HANDLE TO POST ON THIS WEBSITE IS THE DEFINITION OF TROLLING. It's the #1 reason no one will believe what you're posting and the #1 reason I won't take any advice from you.

Nope, not stealing anything. I've used this handle for years. And it's about time you learned how to use the CAPS LOCK key. I don't think you know the meaning of it.

For years huh? Cause I just clicked on your username and it shows you registered a few hours ago:

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