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« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2018, 05:10:23 am »

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That may have been crud, but it's a perfect figurative description of what takes place here. A less crud term would have been snowflake pharisees. They love to hear the sound of there own words, and tear things down and never build them up. When anyone criticizes them they shout at the top of there lungs in disgust, claiming wrong doing.  Is hate part of the healing process? Because that is honestly all i see. How many years does it take for you to heal 10 years? Isn't that how long you have been on here? Still talking about the same ole things, rehashing all the bitterness you have held onto this whole time?  I have read many of your posts and you tend to repeat yourself a lot.
Not sure this is worthy of a response, but generally speaking, many have found that the best way to win friends and influence people is to start by not calling them names that are crude. A second step would be to not judge their spiritual state by calling them "false Christians" (JD) or "snowflake Pharisees". Thirdly, how long a person has challenged an idea could be, but is not necessarily a reflection of a negative state of their heart such as bitterness. Fourthly, sometimes people repeat themselves for many reasons. On this forum, I do not assume someone reading today will know what I wrote 2 months ago, much less 7 years ago. It's easier to repeat and seems more thoughtful and efficient than expecting someone to go back and read everything I've ever posted . I noticed many kept wondering why Suzanne was not answering their questions when, in fact, she had, but no one remembered. Apparently, had she answered their questions a second time, she would have been accused of repeating herself.

Interestingly enough, I looked back on the last 2 years. I believe I posted 11 times in 2016 and 18 times in 2017. Things were pretty dead on this forum until this year and really picked up when JD & Co. came in with guns blazing (metaphorically speaking, of course).

Oh, one last thing. I was thinking about a "sermon" I heard recently about criticism, and since you seem to have a beef with me and others here, I just wanted to encourage you with these words: "Your sin against God is so much greater than anything anybody else has ever done to you...Your God absorbed your debt...he absorbed death, can you not absorb the sin of somebody else."
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« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2018, 07:10:02 am »

There has been abuse from both sides. This is why social media is flawed to a great extent. Looking into the eyes and hearing the demeanor of who is speaking is not conveyed in any level of reality. Some are emboldened when they are secure behind a key board. Probably one of the largest cause of our society going down the moral and ethical drain. I have watched a group here gang up on someone who voices disagreement far beyond needed. And a few are very good at drawing out negativism, and then shove it down their throat. JD responded to horrendous attacks on him and his family, maybe over the top, but I’m sure any one of you would have reacted similar. At one point I actually thought there would be some civility here, as most who support ECC, didn’t even post here for weeks. And looking back the attacks grew to a point a few finally called it out. We who love the Church want simple truths to be shown, which I’m sure will be, and appropriate action will be taken. All the cloak and dagger only causes more unnecessary pain, of which I believe could have been avoided from the start with just a little patience and trust in God.
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« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2018, 07:51:20 am »

JD responded to horrendous attacks on him and his family, maybe over the top, but I’m sure any one of you would have reacted similar.

Okay, GT, I guess you're off my list for the moment.

The fact is, we have been "horrendously attacked" (as you put it) by members of the ECC contingent, but we haven't reacted in similar fashion to JD.

We haven't outed any of you (even though some former Evergreen members are pretty sure they know who some of you are), we haven't used coarse, crude language about you, and we haven't gone on scary rants about whips and violence. With one possible exception (never proven), not one forum member here has responded to any of you with the level of aggression that Jeromy showed. When we've made accusations, we've backed them up with links to reliable third-party sources like the IRS or to the ECC/Salvage/etc. websites where the statements were made. But even when we quote GCx sources directly, it gets written off as slander.

Allegedly, one forum member here has sent nasty emails to the Darlings. The rest of us have accepted your word for this, without asking for proof, even though we would have been entitled to be as skeptical of you as you are of us. Every single forum member who has commented on these emails has sided with the Darlings and against the alleged sender. No one has made excuses or tried to mitigate what he did. By contrast, not one of you Darling loyalists has condemned Jeromy for his intimidation tactics, and some of you have even tried to justify them.

You said Jeromy's family was "attacked," but that's only true if Scout was lying. Multiple victims have come forward to say that Mark Darling acted inappropriately. So based on the evidence, Scout didn't attack Mark (much less attack his family), she exposed him as the attacker. Jeromy didn't come here in a noble attempt to defend his family. He came here to intimidate the victims and their supporters.

This forum doesn't create the problems in your church, it only exposes them. Don't like it? Then either fix the problems, or find a forum that's more to your liking. Just don't try to make us the moral equivalent of Jeromy. Given every provocation to lower ourselves to his level, none of us has even come close.
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« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2018, 08:04:36 am »

Thank you everyone for the responses the past 24 hour with what the point of this forum is. as I feared it is serving its purpose of pitting Christians vs Christians. I don't think I have much to contribute to the dialogue, but I can say that I am praying that everyone can make an extra effort to try to minimize the hurt and damage being done to your Brother and Sisters.

I chuckled this morning during my quiet time thinking and praying for healing and accord to be found here on this Forum over the next 6 months.  6 months ago North Korean dictotor Kim Jung-un and President Trump were at the deepest levels of discord and the WORLD was on edge! It still doesn't make sense that these two men would be in a place of civility to sit down and dialogue for the benefit of the greater good (yes- still many uncertainties about outcome of mtg).  I believe the LORD played a part in what took place with them, and I am hoping and praying that the Lord will use each of you to bring some peace and ACCORD in coming months.

My wife pointed out that my original post could have came across that I was not a believer and I am a Believer- currently located outside of MN.  

Believing for the best for each of you- tm

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« Reply #44 on: June 16, 2018, 08:22:03 am »


So based on the evidence, Scout didn't attack Mark (much less attack his family), she exposed him as the attacker.
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Fox9 investigation did work with SVD on sharing her story and as I watched it I struggled to see strong evidence to make it a slam dunk that MD is guilty of being a sexual abuser.  I hope the family did not watch that story, but if they did I believe seeing their blotted out family picture to be an attack on their family and  how can't they feel it was an attack on their family to have their father associated with Harvey Weinstein. 

If I believe correctly a couple months ago SVD tweeted out her feeling of empowerment of listing her perpertator MD on a site for child sex abusers and she retracted her action the next day and then re-tweeteed to 6,000.

I just struggle that MD has yet to share his part of the story and evidence due to to ongoing investigation.  That might end up being a regret for him and his family that they did not come forth sooner in the process and by-passed the 6 months of waiting for investigation.

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« Reply #45 on: June 16, 2018, 08:29:08 am »

Again Hulda I say how do any of us know the demeanor or state someone is in when they make a comment on social media. When I shared some pain I experienced I was told that was unjust to compare. Maybe some statements are made behind tears of agony, you and I don’t know. And here if someone shares a tearfully expressed truth they are mocked. You compare what damage has been done, you don’t know! And I never brought Suzanne up, have not and will not. Without standing face to face none of us knows where each other actually are. All we see are words, which as you share are hurtful, and as I see, accomplish nothing. I can move past words, as I don’t hold onto pain. It’s unhealthy in so many ways. We each have the choice how we deal with pain, and how we choose to deal with it dictates our consequences. I chose, and still do choose positivity, goodness, love and trust in God’s grace to heal and bring the spirit filled joy that is available to each of us. Or we can choose negativism, bitterness and unhealthy consequences, of which God, in His word, tries to save us from. It IS our choice.  When all is said and done with the MD and Suzanne issue each person on their own will have a choice of how they will deal with it. I pray for positive, goodness, forgiveness, and healing through Gods love.
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« Reply #46 on: June 16, 2018, 08:36:24 am »

Greentruth, thank you for such a gracious reply. I know we're not going to come to any agreement soon, but I do appreciate your words.
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« Reply #47 on: June 16, 2018, 08:37:40 am »

JD responded to horrendous attacks on him and his family, maybe over the top, but I’m sure any one of you would have reacted similar.

No. No, I wouldn’t react this way if someone accused me or someone I love of something like sexual abuse. Not only that, but I would harshly and quickly rebuke anyone who acted this way on my behalf. I think most of the forum “regulars” would agree. I think the Bible agrees. His behavior was inappropriate. Period.

There is no justifying it, and I’m amazed people keep trying, instead of encouraging him to admit to wrongdoing and repent. Wrong done to someone does not justify a wrong response.
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« Reply #48 on: June 16, 2018, 08:47:02 am »

Tonymason, thank you as well, for your prayers.

Not to detract from anything you said, but as a minor point, I wanted to say that this is not necessarily a Christian forum, per se. Most of us here are professing Christians, but one or two openly acknowledge that they are not. (And that's fine. They bring their own perspective to the discussion.) I think it's very possible that some of the professing Christians here may not be born again. I don't know anyone's heart, but some things just make me wonder. So as far as pitting Christian against Christian, yes, sadly, that's happening here, but in my own heart I wonder if some of the instigators are really Christians at all. Again, not singling anyone out or even singling out one side; this is just a private question that keeps coming back to me.
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« Reply #49 on: June 16, 2018, 08:49:53 am »

I chose, and still do choose positivity, goodness, love and trust in God’s grace to heal and bring the spirit filled joy that is available to each of us.  I pray for positive, goodness, forgiveness, and healing through Gods love.

But why then are you here posting angry words? Your words here are not positive at all. If you indeed trust God why do you behave here as if it is your responsibility to protect others, defend others, silence others, judge others, tell others what they should or should not do?

I see a huge disconnect in what you say you believe and what your actions posting here reveal you to believe. That disconnect is frequently found in abusive and controlling groups because without it you cannot be controlled. It appears you feel you have a responsibility to effect change in other people which is a sign of unhealthy boundaries.

It really is none of your business if people on this forum post their negative experiences with GCM churches.
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« Reply #50 on: June 16, 2018, 08:56:44 am »


JD responded to horrendous attacks on him and his family, maybe over the top, but I’m sure any one of you would have reacted similar.

No never. I have never and would never use such threats and language. That kind of behavior is not normal. Not for Christians and not for those who are not Christians. I find it incredulous that you find JD's words and behavior to be socially acceptable.

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« Reply #51 on: June 16, 2018, 09:11:52 am »

JD responded to horrendous attacks on him and his family, maybe over the top, but I’m sure any one of you would have reacted similar.

No. No, I wouldn’t react this way if someone accused me or someone I love of something like sexual abuse. Not only that, but I would harshly and quickly rebuke anyone who acted this way on my behalf. I think most of the forum “regulars” would agree. I think the Bible agrees. His behavior was inappropriate. Period.

There is no justifying it, and I’m amazed people keep trying, instead of encouraging him to admit to wrongdoing and repent. Wrong done to someone does not justify a wrong response.

Now you are comparing what pain would cause what. I agree, Jeromy made comments he should not have, but until you walk in his pain, as you told me, it’s unjust to compare. From what I know of you from your words I would say no, you probably wouldn’t express your pain as he did. But in the same sense I would never partake in a forum as thiis just from someone or something that has caused me pain. And I realize from a few statements recently it is not good to compare. Personally I have been able to give the pain thrust on me to God, but if my wife, siblings, mother and father were under siege of constant attack, I would probably react similar to JD. I pray I, and you, don’t have to find out.
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« Reply #52 on: June 16, 2018, 09:24:21 am »

Personally I have been able to give the pain thrust on me to God, but if my wife, siblings, mother and father were under siege of constant attack, I would probably react similar to JD. I pray I, and you, don’t have to find out.

I hope it has at least occurred to you that maybe some of us do know what it's like to see a loved one accused of something horrific. And that, as much as we might rage and grieve inwardly over the injustice (as well as the very real financial and legal damage), we haven't responded as Jeromy did.

The sad irony is that there are people on this forum who could probably identify with Jeromy in various ways, and help him process his grief, but he has alienated the very people who are best prepared to help him do that.

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« Reply #53 on: June 16, 2018, 09:36:08 am »

Personally I have been able to give the pain thrust on me to God, but if my wife, siblings, mother and father were under siege of constant attack, I would probably react similar to JD. I pray I, and you, don’t have to find out.

I hope it has at least occurred to you that maybe some of us do know what it's like to see a loved one accused of something horrific. And that, as much as we might rage and grieve inwardly over the injustice (as well as the very real financial and legal damage), we haven't responded as Jeromy did.

The sad irony is that there are people on this forum who could probably identify with Jeromy in various ways, and help him process his grief, but he has alienated the very people who are best prepared to help him do that.



 Huldah, I will be sure to take your advice( from an anonymous poster on a public forum ) next time I go through something really really difficult.
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« Reply #54 on: June 16, 2018, 09:37:07 am »

Hulda, I don’t doubt what you say, and I simply do not want to compare anymore.  I would still appeal to all to choose the Lord’s wisdom from His word. At this point I choose as Nehemiah did when rebuilding Jerusalem’s wall. I trust the Lord will sort it out.
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« Reply #55 on: June 16, 2018, 09:50:12 am »

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Huldah, I will be sure to take your advice( from an anonymous poster on a public forum ) next time I go through something really really difficult.

Fireball is such a unique name. Your parents are very creative.
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« Reply #56 on: June 16, 2018, 10:38:46 am »

Thank you everyone for the responses the past 24 hour with what the point of this forum is. as I feared it is serving its purpose of pitting Christians vs Christians. I don't think I have much to contribute to the dialogue, but I can say that I am praying that everyone can make an extra effort to try to minimize the hurt and damage being done to your Brother and Sisters.

I chuckled this morning during my quiet time thinking and praying for healing and accord to be found here on this Forum over the next 6 months.  6 months ago North Korean dictotor Kim Jung-un and President Trump were at the deepest levels of discord and the WORLD was on edge! It still doesn't make sense that these two men would be in a place of civility to sit down and dialogue for the benefit of the greater good (yes- still many uncertainties about outcome of mtg).  I believe the LORD played a part in what took place with them, and I am hoping and praying that the Lord will use each of you to bring some peace and ACCORD in coming months.

My wife pointed out that my original post could have came across that I was not a believer and I am a Believer- currently located outside of MN.  

Believing for the best for each of you- tm



Hi Tony, I will be direct and say that your post seems disengenous. You begin a thread on the purpose of this forum (something that is clearly stated on the front page), which naturally stirs up arguments between supporters and detractors; then you use this thread to confirm your own assumption that the purpose of this forum is "pitting Christians vs. Christians." Perhaps I am misreading you as that is all too easy to do in online interactions, but it seems like you are trolling.

What is your actual connection to GCx and are you aware of the current allegations against one of the pastors at evergreen? If you are not aware of that situation I suggest you do a little research. There is a very legitamate reason that things are a bit tense in here.
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