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Barb
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« on: April 27, 2018, 12:16:01 pm »

As I read through the threads on the forum regarding Suzanne's accusations against Mark, I have noticed that most of the posters have strong opinions regarding "Who they believe is telling the truth" I also have read numerous accusations about posters "not even knowing" a person. This all got me to thinking about who on this forum actually knows the people being discussed. Like really knows them...not in the sense of having met them once or twice or sat under teaching by him, but actually has spent some time with the person.

I know some won't want to participate in this thread, and that is totally fine. I am more or less just curious.

I'll start.
I know both Mark and Suzanne, as well as at least two of the other victims. I met them all circa 1986 and spent time with all of them.
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2018, 12:29:29 pm »

Well if this is what the forum meant for, you bet Barb.

I know Suzanne VD, John VD, Mark D. Kathy D., and their children and I believe at least one of the other victims.

I expect this will be helpful information.
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2018, 12:42:01 pm »

Well if this is what the forum meant for, you bet Barb.



Well, itís not really what the forum means to me. Mostly just curious.  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2018, 01:02:17 pm »

I would say I don't know either. I've never met Suzanne, and met Mark once I think (plus seen him on stage a few times). 
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2018, 01:46:03 pm »

I know Mark and his kids. Mark actually supported my decision to go into Christian scholarship and academia. I know GCx is thought to be against Seminary training and academia, but Mark knew me and thought I was was gifted in that way, even though he didn't quite know what to do with me (he always described himself to me as someone who was helpful to "blue collar believers"). I am forever thankful for his encouragement.

I saw John preach at a GCM conference and there he expressed his fears about moving to Berlin. He talked about how he felt like he was the guy in Judges who was commissioned to slay the "fat man" whose body swallowed up the sowrd. Such a weird analogy; I still don't know what to think of it. The way they left Berlin bothered me. My aunt and uncle (Sandy and Dave Lennander) had to move there to pick up the pieces, and as far as I know succeeded. But they have their story to tell.
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2018, 03:46:39 pm »

I know all parties involved who are named. However, if the other alleged victim(s) were around Evergreen in the mid-90s I would probably know them too. And if Barb means Barb J. well, i know you and Chris too.
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2018, 04:15:33 pm »

I know Suzanne very little, other than cordial hi and by. John I feel I had the most interaction than any. He helped me through some exceptionally tough times. Mark I know mostly through his sermons, and a few one on one talks. One of the most compassionate people I have ever met. Helped me focus on Jesus more,and the forgiveness that set me free. Actually , when we moved and tried out a few churches, the pastor that I liked reminded me of Mark. Bold teaching, and tackles the hard topics head on. I know, offends a few. Kathy , never talked to, as the opportunity never really was there. The children %I have known just through some ministries I was involved in. Very kind, considerate, and strong in their life. I never met anyone named A or C
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2018, 05:03:21 pm »

Yes, DLM, I am Barb Johnson. I donít need to be anonymous here. I have actually chosen to not be anonymous because I know that I am prone to be sharp tongued. As a safe guard over my mouth, I will not use a pseudonym. I would like to be held accountable for my speech.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2018, 06:39:42 pm »

Yes, DLM, I am Barb Johnson. I donít need to be anonymous here. I have actually chosen to not be anonymous because I know that I am prone to be sharp tongued. As a safe guard over my mouth, I will not use a pseudonym. I would like to be held accountable for my speech.

That is admirable. Fortunately I don't struggle with that    Cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2018, 09:50:21 am »

I know Mark and Kathy Darling. I also know all their kids except Jessica. I've spent the most time with Jeromy, including playing music with him at a prison which was an amazing experience. Me and the Darlings aren't super close seeing as we're part of different congregations but I feel like I can call them friends of friends.

I know Linda and Terry Dugan--and have been in their house! I was pretty good friends with her daughter Katie while we were in college. Her son Tim and my close friends will play boardgames like X-wing together every once in a while and it makes me jealous Smiley.

I've met you Barb Johnson and I knew your son Evan when he was around EC Lakeville. Then Evan and Erin joined my small group for a while up until they got married then they stopped coming. I really liked them both.

I don't know Digital Lynch Mob, GodTrumpsAll, or any other GC lurkers. They've kept their identities well.

And I think that's it. I don't know the Van Dycks at all but a lot of my friends do--or they did, anyway.

And Barb, yes, I've also used my real name to keep myself accountable to myself Grin. I think Mark Twain said that if you give a man a mask then you'll see his true face.
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2018, 10:00:31 am »

Luis, I like that Mark Twain quote Smiley How fun that you know Evan and Erin!
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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2018, 01:18:45 pm »

Joined Evergreen in 1988, just before the grand opening. I know Mark, I know Suzanne and John, I know Natalie, and based on her statement, I am pretty sure I know who Victim C is (and know her too). My husband has been around almost as long, and sadly, neither of us is surprised by any of these revelations.

And I know you, Barb. We lived across the street from each other back in the student days, and you and Chris were my small group leaders.  Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2018, 01:43:32 pm »

Hi, Blizzard! That was a great small group Smiley
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