commingling of MD Evergreen funds into JD’s ministry: should be investigated too

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[Huldah]

One more point, DLM. Just because Jeromy's ministry is showier and more tweet-worthy, don't assume that the other forum members here aren't ministering to people exactly where God has put them. You don't have to hop on a plane to help people who are truly hurting, and real ministry doesn't always involve photo ops.

[Digital Lynch Mob]

After making ugly physical threats against certain pastors (to the point that employees and even ushers in the church had to be warned about these threats so they could be on the lookout), it is possible that he did receive a letter.

The company you keep.

[Digital Lynch Mob]

One more point, DLM. Just because Jeromy's ministry is showier and more tweet-worthy, don't assume that the other forum members here aren't ministering to people exactly where God has put them. You don't have to hop on a plane to help people who are truly hurting, and real ministry doesn't always involve photo ops.

I made no such assumption Huldah.

[ShineTheLight]

And if you could also provide us pictures of the $560K house with pool and hot tub someone gave you I'd appreciate that as well OneofMany - you slacker 

Just curious Shine, do you consider it doxing someone when you provide step-by-step instructions on finding an individuals address - in the same post that you acknowledge Blonde (who started this thread) is a serial abuser of the person you are doxing? Just exactly what are you trying to "ShineTheLight" on?

Typing someone's name in google and reading the results that pop up isn't exactly much of an instruction manual..so no, I really don't consider that doxxing - if it is, the whole internet is guilty along with me.

I am shining the light on the fact that Jeromy, on a pittance salary from his non-profit lives a nicer (or at least more expensive) house than 95% of the twin cities metro (median home value $257K per zillow vs. $560K) that was apparently purchased by a member at his dad's church who apparently has serious financial means, but is also apparently not in a profession of any kind that would necessitate any type of digital footprint (e.g., linkedin, medical, legal. business owner web listings, etc.).  It's all public record and interesting but does not, at all, prove or even insinuate wrong doing, as I stated. It's pretty common for anonymous wealthy people to let pastor's kids use their houses I suppose. I was a pastor's kid but I guess my dad ran in the wrong circles  - we got to stay in someone's run down time share in Florida (in the summer) but that was it

[Digital Lynch Mob]

Typing someone's name in google and reading the results that pop up isn't exactly much of an instruction manual..so no, I really don't consider that doxxing - if it is, the whole internet is guilty along with me.

I am shining the light on the fact that Jeromy, on a pittance salary from his non-profit lives a nicer (or at least more expensive) house than 95% of the twin cities metro (median home value $257K per zillow vs. $560K) that was apparently purchased by a member at his dad's church who apparently has serious financial means, but is also apparently not in a profession of any kind that would necessitate any type of digital footprint (e.g., linkedin, medical, legal. business owner web listings, etc.).  It's all public record and interesting but does not, at all, prove or even insinuate wrong doing, as I stated. It's pretty common for anonymous wealthy people to let pastor's kids use their houses I suppose. I was a pastor's kid but I guess my dad ran in the wrong circles  - we got to stay in someone's run down time share in Florida (in the summer) but that was it

Hmm, let me give you a verse for that: Proverbs 14:30 A tranquil heart gives life to the flesh, but envy makes the bones rot.

[Huldah]

Well how kind. All along you all simply had his best interests in mind. Isn't that wonderful. I'm sure he thanks you.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he doesn't.

I'm not pretending to like the guy. His behavior on this forum has been beyond obnoxious. But as a fellow Christian I have no particular desire to see the IRS go after him (should there be any problems, which again, I don't know). And I'm just pointing out that a real friend would be more concerned about making sure someone wasn't in legal jeopardy from an agency that could ruin his life, than about doing PR for him on some obscure forum that has no real power over him.

[Digital Lynch Mob]

Since everyone is so interested in the details of JD's living arrangements, I thought you might want to know that they share the house with another missionary family. So maybe we can all move on.

[AgathaL'Orange]

If people want to live off the donations of others, it’s really not my business.  It’s allowed by the law, and we should always show charity for those less fortunate whether by choice, lifestyle, or birth.


I just hope when people do receive money to live their lives, that they show humility and gratitude for this trade.  I hope they put in at least 40 hours a week or more and that they don’t live a life too much higher than those around them who are working to put food on the table for their own children.  

I hope they remember that every single dollar given to them was a trade someone else made with their time, body, and labor.  The donors made that income instead of being with their families.  And they sacrificed it for a cause they care about.

It’s that trade that IME GCx has never much cared about.

What’s another hour of a member?  Another weekend away from families for GCLI?  Another vacation postponed so someone could make a 401k loan for the building campaign? What’s another 50k retirement account closed out and donated? I witnessed all of these things at GCx.  It’s the time/life/resource trade off that GCx has never seemed to fully appreciate.  
 
Instead people were often shamed with how lazy they can be.  The fact that they had TV or watched it.  Etc.  I don’t know that JD is this way.  But I definitely heard naggy sermons about that meanwhile the listeners are the ones paying the actual bills!  😂

[ttmom3]

What right do any of you have posting this information about where Jeromy and his family live? He has dedicated his life (and that of his wife and boys) to spreading God's love to those who are- often in society's eyes- forgotten. This is an absolute atrocious invasion of privacy.

have you considered- christian- how your actions are affecting the work he and his family are doing? Have you considered- that all of this nonsense is affecting his ability to effectively reach the souls he is right now trying to lead to Christ? Or his wife's ability to joyfully/safely care for her children while he is on his various mission trips? God help you if your actions have gotten in the way of even one soul being led to Christ. Do you realize the hurt you are causing? Have you considered that the time you are wasting looking up this information on google (that you are never going to be able to fully hash out speculating online anyway) is God's time? He has given you the hours of this day and this is what you are doing with them?! seriously?

I know this family and their financial situation intimately and this speculation is a hurtful load of crap. Worry about your own self.

[Badger]

If Jeromy Darling is a "missionary" who receives money from a 501(c)(3) he has established, GCC tithes to, and his father plugs in his church messages/sermons, public scrutiny over how he utilizes money is a fair question.  If Jeromy Darling doesn't want someone evaluating his mission statement, the actual impact of his work, and whether his non-profit is legit, he shouldn't have a 501(c)(3) non-profit that is taking donations from people.  A non-profit that is overseen by the founder's friends where a majority of the money goes to the founder is an extremely questionable venture.  The motives and outreach of Jeromy's The Salvage Project sounds like a Christian band with an imperialistic-white-savior complex that is considered archaic in current missions philosophy.

Have you considered how much revenue The Salvage Project is taking from legitimate non-profits who are already living with and helping the populations that Jeromy is supposedly serving?  If you are intimately involved with Jeromy's financial situation, perhaps you could share the annual revenue of The Salvage Project and what percent goes directly to Jeromy Darling and accumulated assets (band equipment, etc), and what percentage is given to help the communities that he serves (plane tickets, hotel rooms, meals, and music received aren't tangible benefits for such communities).

It's not that I don't want to help the poor and the needy.  I just don't like organizations that use the generosity of others to build their own little kingdoms (I think Jeromy refers to them as his army) while doing very little to benefit those they claim to be helping.

It is my opinion that Jeromy Darling's non-profit, The Salvage Project, is not worth supporting for these reasons.  The idea that religious leaders should not have some scrutiny over how they use money they solicit is absurd.  But in an organization like GCC where leaders have very little accountability, I guess it makes sense that you think such scrutiny is a waste of time or sinful.

[Digital Lynch Mob]

If Jeromy Darling is a "missionary" who receives money from a 501(c)(3) he has established, GCC tithes to, and his father plugs in his church messages/sermons, public scrutiny over how he utilizes money is a fair question.  If Jeromy Darling doesn't want someone evaluating his mission statement, the actual impact of his work, and whether his non-profit is legit, he shouldn't have a 501(c)(3) non-profit that is taking donations from people.  A non-profit that is overseen by the founder's friends where a majority of the money goes to the founder is an extremely questionable venture.  The motives and outreach of Jeromy's The Salvage Project sounds like a Christian band with an imperialistic-white-savior complex that is considered archaic in current missions philosophy.

Have you considered how much revenue The Salvage Project is taking from legitimate non-profits who are already living with and helping the populations that Jeromy is supposedly serving?  If you are intimately involved with Jeromy's financial situation, perhaps you could share the annual revenue of The Salvage Project and what percent goes directly to Jeromy Darling and accumulated assets (band equipment, etc), and what percentage is given to help the communities that he serves (plane tickets, hotel rooms, meals, and music received aren't tangible benefits for such communities).

It's not that I don't want to help the poor and the needy.  I just don't like organizations that use the generosity of others to build their own little kingdoms (I think Jeromy refers to them as his army) while doing very little to benefit those they claim to be helping.

It is my opinion that Jeromy Darling's non-profit, The Salvage Project, is not worth supporting for these reasons.  The idea that religious leaders should not have some scrutiny over how they use money they solicit is absurd.  But in an organization like GCC where leaders have very little accountability, I guess it makes sense that you think such scrutiny is a waste of time or sinful.

"If Jeromy Darling doesn't want someone evaluating his mission statement, the actual impact of his work, and whether his non-profit is legit, he shouldn't have a 501(c)(3) non-profit that is taking donations from people."

Did anyone say that? But perhaps that evaluation is better served coming from people who have that non-profit's best interests at heart. Maybe it's just me, but wild speculations and personal attacks from people like Blonde probably fail to meet that criteria.

[Huldah]

If Jeromy Darling is a "missionary" who receives money from a 501(c)(3) he has established, GCC tithes to, and his father plugs in his church messages/sermons, public scrutiny over how he utilizes money is a fair question.  If Jeromy Darling doesn't want someone evaluating his mission statement, the actual impact of his work, and whether his non-profit is legit, he shouldn't have a 501(c)(3) non-profit that is taking donations from people.

Thank you for making this point, Badger, and for your entire post. It was very well expressed.

As a further point, anyone who has a public ministry, especially someone who cultivates a strong Internet/social media presence and who aggressively challenges his critics online, has to be prepared for scrutiny from all sides. He can't set the publicity ball in motion and then complain when it snowballs out of his control.

I received the following PM regarding something I posted earlier in this thread. Out of respect for the sender's privacy, I'm leaving it up to him or her, whether or not to publicly own the message.

Keywords for SEO

I see you changed the heading of this post to contain Jeromy's full name and other keywords. I've held you in higher regards, but doing that is a disgusting trick. You should be ashamed.

This criticism makes no sense at all, seeing as how Jeromy has not only used his own full name here, but he has openly gloated about becoming a "content provider" on this site. Until he showed up here, everyone was in agreement to leave Mark's family out of the discussion. Then Jeromy decided it was a good idea to come and pick a fight with people who were more than ready to stand up to him. Jeromy knows how the Internet works, so he can't complain (nor can his friends complain for him) if the sword cuts both ways. His own posts on the forum stand as evidence against his fitness for ministry. I believe his friends should stop enabling and defending his worst behavior and start holding him accountable to be the man of God he claims to want to be.

[ShineTheLight]

So I tried to find the 501c3 filing of The Salvage Project.  Every 501c3 is required to file a form 990, 990 EZ or 990N with the IRS. As these organizations are tax exempt and getting a tax break from the government these filings are considered public information.  990's are searchable on the IRS website.  Just so we are clear - it is not possible to dox a public non-profit organization -if you think otherwise, I can't help you.

Go to this link:

https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/displayAll.do?dispatchMethod=displayAllInfo&Id=795393&ein=471385092&zipCode=&country=US&deductibility=all&dispatchMethod=searchAll&isDescending=false&city=&ein1=&postDateFrom=&exemptTypeCode=al&submitName=Search&sortColumn=orgName&totalResults=1&names=The+Salvage+Project&resultsPerPage=25&indexOfFirstRow=0&postDateTo=&searchChoice=&state=All+States

If for some reason, the link doesn't work, go to this link, https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/

And under the field "search by", change it to "organization name" instead of Employer Identification Number, in the next box to the right, enter The Salvage Project where it says "enter organization name"

When you use either method above, you get to an IRS public webpage that says the following (bolding is mine). I'm not sure what to make of this, but before you all make a donation you may want to verify the tax exempt status if you are planing on taking a tax deduction for the donation.

The Salvage Project
EIN: 47-1385092 | bloomington, MN, United States
Auto-Revocation List
Organizations whose federal tax exempt status was automatically revoked for not filing a Form 990-series return or notice for three consecutive years. Important note: Just because an organization appears on this list, it does not mean the organization is currently revoked, as they may have been reinstated.

Exemption Type: 501(c)(3)

Exemption Reinstatement Date:

Revocation Date: 11-15-2017

Revocation Posting Date: 03-12-2018

[HughHoney]

Sounds like an oversight

[HughHoney]

Sounds like an oversight

I meant lack of oversight 

[Fireball]

 I thought that doxxing was against the rules? Pretty sure Blonde, and Shinethelight are breaking the rules here. I guess I am new here, but I don't understand what this thread is about. Do any of you actually know Jeromy Darling? It would be pretty awful, to gossip, and slander this person without even knowing them or there situation.

[ShineTheLight]

Sharing a public organization's IRS status as having it's non-profit exemption revoked due to not filing its forms for 3 consecutive years is 1) Not doxing by any definition I am aware of 2) Not gossip as it is public knowledge already and factually correct  The IRS website is a public website accessible by anyone.  Merely saying the word "doxing" does not make it so.  No email contact information, addresses, phone numbers, etc. have been shared with anyone. It sounds like you are attempting to censor content you do not like, which is not the definition of doxing.

[Fireball]

 What is your purpose with posting all of this information on the forum? Do you know Jeromy Darling personally? I guess I just don't get it.

[ShineTheLight]

Financial impropriety has been alleged to occur at Evergreen Church in a least 2 respects 1) It has been alleged that a pay off offer was made to buy the silence of those alleging sexual miscount 2) ECC itself stated they gave those alleging the misconduct a "gift" to "pursue their dream" - this gift was raised from the donations of members who most assuredly did not think they were giving anyone a gift but The Lord.  The common thread of these allegations is the tie to a member of the Darling family.  These first 2 allegations are currently the subject of the ECC Board of Trustees investigation. Blonde, who started this thread alleged further impropriety, specifically the co-mingling of ministry funds between Jeromy's public non-profit and the church. To the extent possible, such an allegation can be at least examined with publicly available information to determine if it has any credibiity at all.  That has been done/is being done with inconclusive results thus far.  Jeromy has been an active participant in this forum with the harshest rhetoric towards alleged victims of sexual misconduct. If you'd like, I'd be happy to repost some of his greatest hits on this thread. I know him as well as he knows me and many other participants on this forum.  My observation is that those who support the Darling family hold them to a very different standard (e.g., no standard at all) vs. others, which seems consistent with how allegations of misconduct are said to have been handled in the past at Evergreen.  Participation in this forum is voluntary by all.

[Rypick]

I can explain it, Fireball. It's called desperation to make trouble for the Darling family, and grasping at straws.