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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2018, 10:29:50 pm »

I would agree, but it's kind of a package deal.

If the victims are out of this loop and ECC attenders are in the loop, it highlights the fact that the investigation was not independent. Of course, we all knew this was the case, so, no surprises.
The investigation by Joan Harris and the BoT's response are two different things.

You are rather questioning the handling with the results.  This distinction is important.


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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2018, 10:29:59 pm »

Redacted to protect identities or no? Can you share highlights ?
I believe it is best to let the full report speak for itself.

I can tell you that the report/BoT did find some of the allegations to be true and disciplinary action is being taken.
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« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2018, 10:33:02 pm »

The truth will come out no matter what the BOT does, I'm convinced.


I agree- the truth will come out. I am standing firm on that. 
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« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2018, 10:34:03 pm »

Redacted to protect identities or no? Can you share highlights ?
I believe it is best to let the full report speak for itself.

I can tell you that the BoT did find some of the allegations to be true and disciplinary action is being taken.

Just to clarify did the BOT or Joan's report "find some of the allegations to be true"?
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« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2018, 10:38:04 pm »

Redacted to protect identities or no? Can you share highlights ?
I believe it is best to let the full report speak for itself.

I can tell you that the BoT did find some of the allegations to be true and disciplinary action is being taken.

Just to clarify did the BOT or Joan's report "find some of the allegations to be true"?
I updated my post.  Or just wait for Sunday for the details and accuracy as I said.
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« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2018, 10:42:56 pm »

If the victims are out of this loop and ECC attenders are in the loop, it highlights the fact that the investigation was not independent. Of course, we all knew this was the case, so, no surprises.
The investigation by Joan Harris and the BoT's response are two different things.

You are rather questioning the handling with the results.  This distinction is important.


Not exactly sure what you mean.

To say that the investigation wasn’t independent has to do with the ownership of the results of the investigation. So I’m not questioning the handling of the data gathered. Independence has to do with who gets to see ALL the data collected and if it’s not both parties it’s not independent.
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« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2018, 10:44:29 pm »

Redacted to protect identities or no? Can you share highlights ?
I believe it is best to let the full report speak for itself.

I can tell you that the report/BoT did find some of the allegations to be true and disciplinary action is being taken.
If any allegations of sexual misconduct are found to be true, I find it impossible to believe that the person who committed the misconduct would be allowed to remain in public ministry role of any kind after such a betrayal of trust and after consistently denying said allegations, which is a 2018 issue, not a 30 year old issue.  Would you agree?
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« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2018, 04:05:42 am »

So ECC attendees know what’s going on and the victims do not?

As of late last night, I am not aware of any victims that have been contacted by Evergreen Church/BOT. 

Last night several of the victim/survivors and I were in communication and had not been contacted. 

There may be some that EC reached out to as of course,  EC/BOT does not have to go through me.

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« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2018, 05:41:08 am »

What makes you think the victims ( accusers) aren't in the loop? Lots of bad information on here

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« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2018, 07:23:52 am »

You are correct. I have no idea what is going on.

As of the time I posted, not all the victims did, either. No idea if they know now.

As you can read, my comment was about the process.

Specifically, that it was not independent.

ECC paid for the investigation.

Because of this, ECC owns and controls the data collected.

Therefore, it is not independent. It is ECC controlled.

That was my point.


You always have so much to say, but don't really ever say anything new.
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« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2018, 08:13:16 am »

So ECC attendees know what’s going on and the victims do not?

As of late last night, I am not aware of any victims that have been contacted by Evergreen Church/BOT.  

Last night several of the victim/survivors and I were in communication and had not been contacted.  

There may be some that EC reached out to as of course,  EC/BOT does not have to go through me.

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I’m sorry you haven’t heard. Seems only fair that ECC would minimally have their attorney inform those of you who bravely, by name spoke with Joan and told your stories. Very odd that some ECCers know and others do not. Almost like there is a special “inner circle”.
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« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2018, 08:21:11 am »

Very odd that some ECCers know and others do not. Almost like their is a special “inner circle”.
Always the conspiratorialist aren't you Linda. Or maybe it is that Evergreen is making an announcement at each service this weekend and only Bloomington had a Friday service. But I know that doesn't stoke the flames of outrage quite like your story.
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« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2018, 08:23:34 am »

Apparently there was some sort of sharing of information last night at Bloomington at the Friday night service.  It is very strange that they cancelled the Rock last minutes, but went ahead with Bloomington?
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« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2018, 08:35:24 am »

Quote from:  link=topic=1851.msg19827#msg19827 date=1530368632
You are correct. I have no idea what is going on.

As of the time I posted, not all the victims did, either. No idea if they know now.

As you can read, my comment was about the process.

Specifically, that it was not independent.

ECC paid for the investigation.

Because of this, ECC owns and controls the data collected.

Therefore, it is not independent. It is ECC controlled.

That was my point.


You always have so much to say, but don't really ever say anything new.


And the Evergreen narrative continues.  What you are saying, you've said before.  Just be patient and wait.  Wait for the organization to decide how to handle the situation.  Wait for their "godly" leadership to decide the next correct course of action.  Ignore the fact that some Evergreen leaders have known about this for 2 decades.  They knew about it then; you don't need to bring it up again.

The time for shutting up continues.

The above statement is a silencing technique.  It targets both the speaker and those listening by implying that continuing to point out injustice is not valid because such concerns have been voiced before.

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« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2018, 08:51:44 am »

So ECC attendees know what’s going on and the victims do not?

As of late last night, I am not aware of any victims that have been contacted by Evergreen Church/BOT. 

Last night several of the victim/survivors and I were in communication and had not been contacted. 

There may be some that EC reached out to as of course,  EC/BOT does not have to go through me.

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Nothing new to say, but yet so much to say, so I’ll continue to say I’m sorry that you and the others haven’t heard. You all deserve better.
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« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2018, 09:31:01 am »

Apparently there was some sort of sharing of information last night at Bloomington at the Friday night service.  It is very strange that they cancelled the Rock last minutes, but went ahead with Bloomington?

As a current member at a location other than Bloomington, this fees 'unfair and unjust' that information would be shared at only one location.
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« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2018, 09:34:50 am »

So Evergreen dismisses calls for a truly independent third party investigation that the alleged victims and many here call for.  At the end of the day, the alleged victims agree to cooperate with Evergreen's private investigation.  Then the private investigation is complete, and Evergreen sits on the findings for a month.  And now, they are letting the "findings" filter out though inner circles and choas, without bringing in the alleged victims first, even though they bowed to your will and agreed to cooperate with your version of the "investigation".  

Disrespectful and unacceptable.
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« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2018, 09:48:18 am »

Agree completely. Their communications "strategy" is the WORST.

1. The Rock should have heard in person, FIRST before any other locations
2. They then should have immediately & simultaneously posted the update on the website & called the victims.
3. The other locations can get the update verbally in the Sunday service.

Can someone who attended the Bloomington Friday service (which apparently wasn't canceled even though The Rock's was) just share your best synopsis of the key takeaways? Specifically, has Mark's fate as an Evergreen pastor been decided and what it is? It's not "secret"at this point if it's been shared with hundreds of people in Bloomington's Friday service.

 
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« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2018, 10:01:23 am »

They are not in the loop.

What makes you think the victims ( accusers) aren't in the loop? Lots of bad information on here
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« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2018, 10:07:16 am »

In my opinion, the victims should have been contacted as soon as a decision was reached. They should have known what was happening even before anything was announced in a church service.

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