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Differentstrokes
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« on: April 13, 2015, 07:00:05 am »

hi! so I've grown up in GCM, as long as i can remember we've been involved with great commission. Growing up our church wasnt so bad, it was among the many that embraced the "quiverful" movement, long denim jumpers and all. My family was always on the outskirts of the group, while we WERE homeschooled(one sister and I would attend public high school later in life *gasp*) my parents taught us to think and debate, they gave me the freedom to question which was almost unheard of in the movement. I flourished there, knowing who i was and enjoying my individualism, even if it meant chastisement for wearing jeans and tshirts to church (or even, shock, wearing makeup or a shirt or dress that broke to three finger rule!).

When i was 17, my dads job transferred him to omaha, and since i was still at home i had to go with. I was vulnerable and lonely, the perfect catch for the church. It didnt take long before I was pulled into the youth group at church, which started innocently enough. Where things really started to seem weird was when, while sitting in a youth group meeting, i was told i needed to be a missionary in my school, that all my friends there were going to hell and it was up to me to rescue them. I was told if i wasn't openlu sharing the gospel and being persecuted for it, I wasn't doing anything for God. At this time i was heavily involved in drama at school, which took up a lot of my after school time. I remember having to miss church things and being told my priorities where misplaced.

AFter graduation, things slowly went downhill. I was "encouraged" to go to UNO, instead of a university in Missouri that I had intended to attend, the pressure was on because there was no gc church there, which obviously meant i would be led astray and fall into sin.... So i stayed in omaha and attended UNO, I became extremely involved in the rock, however i had chosen to pursue a theater degree. I had many late nights with the theater crew and most of my weekends were set building, this was simply unacceptable. I was coerced into dropping theater, because it was impeding my ability to be involved with the church, AND it was a "den of sin" and "dangerous for a christian", presumably because it was teaching me how to be in touch with myself,  think for myself, and many of my co-majors were homesexual, and it was wrong to hang out with those people. i remember being told "we weren't sure who was going to pursue you, we were afraid you would get lost to the world". So I stayed, I couldnt pick a major that made me happy, the only class i enjoyed was astronomy which i had to take a stand for because it interferred with the rock on wednesday nights, but i wasn't about to drop it...

I dropped out of college after a year and a half, i was burnout trying to keep up with the rock events we had every single night, and still keep up with my homework. I was being pulled aside very often by my "leaders", who were young men and women between 18-20, some of whom had only been saved a few months, to be chastised for not being comitted enough to to the church, for flirting with boys, or putting other things before my church. I left the rock and joined the CWS, the candlewood working singles, I moved in with 4 other church girls, and commenced living the church life. I started to toy with the idea of leaving for a long time, i attempted suicide and was encouraged not to pursue help from a counselor, but to get my relationship with god right, we were being told to make our careers fit around the church, to make sure we never missed an activity, and above all NO DATING. Dating was a sin unless intiated but a man, after first seeking counsel from the pastors and my father. I started dating when i was 21, and i had the audacity to drink in my own home. I had to keep my dating life secret because i knew i would get disciplined by the elders, or chastised by my leaders. the last straw came when i tried to organize a charity event for the church, and i was told i couldnt do it because it wasn't the churches vision, to row a boat you have to all be rowing the same direction, and to leave those plans to the leaders. That was it for me. i left last fall, and have been struggling with extreme guilt from abandoning my church family, my parents, and supposedly my faith. All the friends i had have disappeared, its like i never existed. i was pushed out of my house, and chastised for moving in with my boyfriend. My boyfriend is hindu, so that has been a huge thing. He is extremely loving and supportive, he is so wonderful. We plan to marry in the fall, and i dont have any friends that i think will come, because for years i was told the only reason for friends outside the church was to convert them and bring them to church....

So for me, I left because the church was controlling my whole life in a wholly non-biblical way. Instead of allowing every one to express their own gifts and pursue their own dreams, with the church as a support network, it was being used to manipulate and control hundreds of young single people. I Am glad i left, but i miss having the friends....I don't even know how to make friends outside of the church, all i have is my boyfriend.
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2015, 08:46:20 am »

I'm proud of you for acting on your beliefs!  It's going to be very difficult for a while, but you can use this time to slowly sift through what is truly of God, and what is only of 'man,' namely the church's traditions.  It's taken me a few years and I'm still not done.
It's gotta be hard, having grown up in the church.  My heart goes out to you.
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2015, 11:44:39 am »

I forgot to mention, I heard about this website because my pastor preached against it many times!
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2015, 08:06:29 am »

Same here, same here.  They don't want anyone to read any negative stories about them, but they have the 'gossip pass' among other elders and home group leaders.  I know, I was on the 'inside' for awhile.
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2015, 10:00:34 pm »

Differentstrokes, your story about having your education undermined is quite recent, and yet I experienced something similar thirty-eight years ago! What a pity the church is still permitting this kind of thing four decades later. I hope it's some comfort to know that it's not you; it's a systemic problem that dates back before you were even born.

You'll be able to make friends again eventually. You've suffered some deep spiritual injuries, so healing will take some time. This is normal, so be patient with yourself.

You mentioned that they disapproved of you for wearing jeans to church. Ironically, that was one of the things that drew me to GC: all the girls wore jeans, even on Sunday morning. To me, that represented a welcome break from the strict Baptist rules I had grown up with against women wearing pants in church. You know all those legendary first-generation GCers & high-ranking elders you may have been taught to look up to? I guarantee you that their wives were all in jeans, back in the day.
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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2015, 04:06:31 pm »

Yeah, I left the cult in 2003... story was in many ways, like yours. It's a bumpy road, but you will be fine. Therapy might help. They act like they're the only valid church there is, and ignore any and all other opinions on the Bible, religion, etc. I don't have a need to apologize for these people -- they are manipulators of the worst kind. You don't have to have the same beliefs as your boyfriend -- just the same values and empathy.
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2015, 01:52:09 am »

Same here, same here.  They don't want anyone to read any negative stories about them, but they have the 'gossip pass' among other elders and home group leaders.  I know, I was on the 'inside' for awhile.

I just left recently.  Can you clue me in on the "gossip pass" and what that is?
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2015, 10:22:52 am »

Here's a long thread:
http://forum.gcmwarning.com/general-discussion/gossip-or-is-it-the-chain-of-leadership-command/
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2015, 10:10:58 pm »

I always suspected they were gossiping about me.  It bothers me now.
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2015, 06:44:38 am »

Sorry to create a new problem for you.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2015, 11:54:49 am »

I always suspected they were gossiping about me.  It bothers me now.

You learn to not care what people think. It hurt so much the first couple of times, then after it was becoming expected I learned to move on. The leaders addressed it the first couple of times when I went to the pastors, I assumed it would be the last. After I seen how it was being resolved, I didn't agree with how they handled it and knew it wouldn't be resolved. I became guarded and shared only with those I chose.
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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2015, 11:28:13 pm »

I certainly didn't fit the mold of what they expect of one of their "good" members.  Now I get why they wouldn't give me a chance in certain areas of the church.  I didn't reflect their image of what they want their church to be.  And a lot of my private conversations were probably intimated to the pastors--specifically the Whitneys.
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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2015, 04:58:05 am »

I used to care a lot about people talking about me, but you know.... I don't really give a s*** anymore. Yes it sucks and I want to scream at my friends to get out while you can, but I can't do anything about it now.... And yes, I always felt like because I didn't have the right last name,
Wasn't friends with the people who did, and wasn't pretty and outgoing, I'd never get anywhere in the church
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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2015, 08:41:50 am »

The nepotism, ugh!! I put it out there for over a year that I wanted to audition for the music ministry.  But they ignored me.  Meanwhile the Whitneys send their kids up who are obviously not trained or coached to sing properly.  Everyone in that church thinks that you have to scream to hit a high note, and I cringe at their vocal chords and how they could burst at any second.  Apparently since I left they are desperate for musicians, but I never got a phone call.
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2015, 06:13:03 am »

Sorry for all the stumble stones you  found there , I hope they repent soon and learn from Christ to be loving and sensitive to others. Maybe that s why in  Mathew says "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, .
Praying for you that The good Shepherd Christ gives you his surpassing peace and guidance through His Holy Spirit.
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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2015, 07:53:28 am »

One of the hard things about being in GCx for so long is that they brainwash you to think that it is wrong to leave the church and it is wrong to cut unhealthy people out of your life. The reality is that you should NEVER feel bad for removing someone from your life who does not value you. If people are putting you down, let them go. AND THAT IS OK.

In my journey, this has been the hardest thing to overcome. That it is actually OK to remove people from your life. You may get harassed for leaving people behind. And told that you need to come back and be united with them. NO! There is nothing wrong with removing them from your life.

Especially if you are at the point of burn-out, it is ok to take a step back or remove yourself entirely. They will make you feel guilty for not performing enough. Sure. But that is not how God deals with us. He calls all the weary and burdened to Himself and offers them REST. His commands are not burdensome.
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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2015, 05:04:39 pm »

Absolutey, jtk1983!

I believe it was Jesus who warned his true friends about their relationship with people who both did not value them and acted as their religious authority.

He said, "Leave them"
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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2015, 12:51:28 pm »

One of my dads friends, an older guy who hadn't been in the church for too long, was a very gifted singer, he asked the Whitney in charge of music if he could sing for him, just to see if there was a possibility of him being on a worship team, and he wouldn't even listen to him, he said no there's no point we don't let anyone sing for us unless they've served on the ground floor for at least six months. Every band had a Whitney in it, and the rest of them were best friends with the whitneys. Every single Whitney child was a leader of a small group, it is ridiculous. It's not supposed to be about a family name or anything, everyone should have the opportunity to serve using their gifts, right?
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2015, 01:26:26 pm »

One would think, Differentstrokes.
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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2015, 06:36:27 am »

What's sad is they don't understand a simple thing: If someone comes up to you and volunteers to serve, they obviously have the heart to do it.  But it says a lot about how paranoid they are of giving a chance on someone new.  It's as if they have something to hide or something they are worried about.  Their biggest fear, obviously, is that someone with a prominent role will leave the church.  You'd think they would address that internal issue--specifically the reason anyone would.  And rather than making that internal adjustment, they would rather blame the individual.

Evidently they are stuck in their ways.  They are getting better at being more covert about their tactics.  It's still the same old s***, though.
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