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Author Topic: GCx Invalidated Commands of God in Handing Down Their Traditions of Loyalty  (Read 852 times)
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« on: April 23, 2021, 06:09:30 pm »

GCx Invalidated Commands of God
in Handing Down Their Traditions of Loyalty



THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS,
BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.
‘AND IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME,
TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.’
Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”


He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. For Moses said, ‘HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER’; and, ‘THE ONE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER, IS CERTAINLY TO BE PUT TO DEATH’;
but you say, ‘If a person says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is, given to God),’
you no longer allow him to do anything for his father or his mother;
thereby invalidating the word of God by your tradition
 which you have handed down;
and you do many things such as that.”


Mark 7:6-13



Though I have read these verses a few times before, yesterday they really woke me up to what I believe also happened to us in GCx.  Jesus was addressing the Pharisees and teachers of the law about 2000 years ago, but I personally think he would say the same thing today to the those who taught traditions of harmful loyalty in GCx, mostly originating with the founder.  It is profound to me that this describes why we didn’t sense the love of Jesus from the pulpit or from indoctrinated and loyal members.  Their traditions made void his commandment to LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS YOURSELF.  

I sure wasn’t practicing this command when I would manipulate and hound people I was “following-up” to fully commit to the GCx church, MORE than God’s plans for them.  I learned this smothering practice from those who discipled me.  They learned it from those who discipled them.  Some of that group learned it from McCotter himself.  We all were to obey the GCx leaders’ teaching without question to actually shun those who left and accept the slanderous stories about them, though nearly all were ill-treated because they didn’t tow the “loyalty measures”, not because they were sinful (or unrepentant of sin).  We further learned to “exult and fear those in the inside circle” and to treat “less-faithful” (less “loyal to GCx”) members with less regard; not to mention those outside GCx.  They were to receive much less love and care according to the customs of GCx loyalty though they were our own family and friends.  These tightly held and longstanding traditions of GCx actually made void God’s commandment to love one another; and give more value to those appearing “less-useful” to us.  GCx pretty much threw this vital commandment of Jesus out the door.

Anyhow, I believe this invalidation of God’s Word to loyally keep their traditions is KEY in comprehending what happened to us there.  The voiding of God’s commands in GCx can very likely be applied to several of God’s most important commandments.  For instance, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL.  Entrapping people through false pretenses and keeping people captive through fear by deception and lies is somewhat similar to kidnapping.  Did you know that one of the original meanings for “steal” in the 10 Commandments was KIDNAP because it had to do with stealing a person?.  Perhaps it is even more serious because they were taking for themselves what belonged to God.  Also what GCx practiced could be related to kidnapping in that stealing people who weren’t necessarily there of their own volition based on FULLY DISCLOSED TRUTH.  Many of us realized later if we had known what was required of us and the lack of worth and power in our own spiritual gifts, we NEVER would have stayed.  GCx got extremely far from honoring and practicing this 7th commandment as well as LOVING YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.  What invalidation and hypocrisy!




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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2021, 01:30:23 pm »

1 John 4:20 "If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen."

Prove you are not a liar.  Speak to Jim and make it right!
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2021, 02:15:15 pm »

You don't have to hate a false teacher in order to expose his false teaching.
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2021, 04:05:56 pm »

Pretty sure Jim can’t make a case for his theological views and his past practices or he would be here explaining and not sending a representative to do his bidding. He needs to control the situation and demands full attention.
1 John 4:20 "If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen."

Prove you are not a liar.  Speak to Jim and make it right!
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2021, 04:39:05 pm »

Besides which , there's something really dodgy about calling people liars while refusing to name even one lie they've told. The burden is not on anyone here to prove they're not a liar; the burden is on Vince to prove that we are.
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2021, 05:04:36 pm »

Plus, calling someone a liar is actual libel if you can’t prove they told a lie. Disagreeing with theology is not even close to libel or slander.

Also, they don’t even know what slander is. It is an oral untrue defamatory statement. Libel is written untrue defamatory statements. But the phrase “gossip and slander” stuck and they have gone with it for decades.
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2021, 09:34:54 am »

Very good points in both posts, Linda. Since Vince has never exposed even a single instance of lying, I've begun to wonder whether he's actually ever read what people have written here. Is it possible he's simply taking McCotter's word about this forum, without ever having checked it out it for himself?
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2021, 03:15:04 pm »

GCx Invalidates God’s Commands with Cult Loyalty

Leaving a “Evangelical” Cult



Note the reasons WHY the woman left her evangelical cult in this video (below with link). Many are oh so familiar to us who left GCx which was founded by a similar leader, Jim McCotter. Her problems with her ‘evangelical’ group seemed to have little to do with Jesus or faith, but with man-made rules and condemnation. “Yelling” at the people on the street corner can come across as condemning and shaming rather than inviting and offering God’s love.  

So many examples she gave were of men’s control of people, rather than God’s freedom of control by the Holy Spirit.  It is VERY interesting that her group adamantly claimed they were not a cult because they included mainstream Christian doctrines in their teaching. Her humorous recounting of the things they required yet “were not a cult” were powerful.  Her tearful recalling of a compassionate and insightful women reaching out to her to give her freedom and hope to leave her oppressive group when she was all grown up seemed to be heaven-inspired.

You are all grown-up and can leave the oppression of McCotter’s traditions and GCx whenever you’re ready also.



Link to: Why I left an Evangelical Cult.  (From TEDx Talks)

https://youtu.be/-U4Cq-dgNnw




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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2021, 10:13:36 pm »


Believing Produces Fruit, Not Man-ipulation



If you remain in Me and My words remain in you,
ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
This is to My Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit,
proving yourselves to be My disciples.
As the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you.
Remain in My love.…

John 15:7-9


There was a LOT of talk about bearing fruit and a LOT of man-made definitions of such in GCx Churches. This divine work of producing a disposition and humility like Jesus and it’s accompanying good works was lost there. Fruit was relabeled “bodies”. I remember McCotter rebuking us members that unless we had some people following us around like ducklings, we were not being “fruitful”. He made it very clear that having your own personal disciples to sit with you in church was what made you worthy and “spiritual”. The more you brought the more spiritual you were. It didn’t matter how you got them there, or what manipulation took place, or what lies were promised by their attendance. It only matter that they kept growing in number and that they filled the room.


Where is the abiding in Him?  Where is demonstration of Christ’s love that remains in us?

These new people may have been physically present, but not necessarily of their own volition or desire. They may have been told their own church is not as spiritual as GCx. They may have been coerced into going to 2 or 3 meetings a week instead of being devoted to there college education. They may have been conveniently “love-bombed” expecting falsely that their new “friends” are as loyal to their well-being as their ‘former’ friends and family.


Where is the Glory of God in this?  Where is the proof of fruit that is like Christ?

This kind of fruit bearing in GCx seemed to have little to do with abiding in Christ. But, a lot of man-pushing power producing a lot of man-made fruit. (I’m not saying people didn’t get saved if they truly trusted Christ. I’m saying they became weak, and withered, and dried up because abiding in the vine by believing was not the model of fruitfulness. They didn’t get the proper nutrition to be refreshed and grow.) Jesus said the following to the Pharisees who practiced similar things:


“Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you
and given to a people who will produce it’s fruit.”

Matthew 21:43



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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2021, 06:32:22 pm »


DECEPTION:  A Tradition of Corrupt Loyalty



GCx Leaders did often use deceptive ways to manipulate people. One was as a means of operating their church for free on multiple week nights and Sundays on college campuses. This may also have been a scheme to stay ‘under the radar’ from parents and the theologically trained of being spiritually immature and unhealthy by going after very young adults. They also used students to promote and proselytize for their church, and even prop up campus preaching. Not all those attending campus preachings were there of their own accord. There was a LOT of “staging” in GCx.

I think these attempts to humanly produce the activity of the Holy Spirit that they wanted to copy from the book of Acts were chaff in God’s eyes. Often, GCx aimed at their own glorification, sadly not God’s. In the process of manipulating a “thunderous” impact and spiking their numbers they exploited many unknowing people, often students. Their invented flurry and feigned “urgency” often making members dizzy in keeping up was usually orchestrated from the top (though they claim their churches were independent). Below are some examples of such deception.



...all this as if the Church is their's and not God's: newflash to GC* ecclesiology (what you dump in favor of "optional, debatable" "philosophy of ministry"--which is wickedness), authority, leadership, teaching, church order...it's all addressed in Scripture: and many of the books you guys are drawing from directly affront, ignore, divert attention from, and totally oppose what is Scriptural in all those matters. But I think you men know that and don't care, as many words of speciousness you might present to the contrary, as many praises you give God, adoration you profess for his word, you read it...then rant your own ideas. GC* [GCx] doesn't believe in Christ the head, if we look at what it has always demonstrated practically, it is totally depraved of any such concept.

...when has anyone in GC* ever been straight-up when asked to be forthright and accountable with anyone on this forum? Did you seriously just tell someone here to call-up gator and ask about things? What about the dude who went onto that in Florida who was among those commissioned to manipulate the Wikipedia page? [NS] came here to tell us all about that and apologize for his part, even.
- theresearchperson



...it was similar to what happened in Ames in the 70's when the church was misrepresented as a student organization in order to gain access to university buildings. ... when they were "caught" lying by saying they weren't a church, but rather a student organization so they could have access to campus buildings?
- Linda



..named the student organization Harvest House Foundation.  Having myself been there from day one, before there were students actually attending the church or involved in the "student" organization, the student organization was sold to the congregation as "a cover" for the church, to gain it access to the public university grounds, services, utilities, and buildings.

...the [Purdue University GCI/GCx] “student organization" published a prochure for itself at RM’s direction (as Harvest House Foundation) and placed a group photograph of Trinity Bible Church on its cover, as if the photo of Trinity were actually a picture of the student organization--the majority of people in that photograph were not students, school staff, or faculty.  How is that NOT a gross deception?

Those who claim the deception was not deception, but merely clever marketing or skillful politics, continue to lie to themselves about what GCI was or about what they themselves did.
-ANobody



See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy,
which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world
rather than on Christ.

Colossians 2:8

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« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2021, 10:05:12 am »


Abicating Love For One Another



My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

John 15:12


Do to others as you would have them do to you.

Luke 6:31



In the greedy and impatient ambition of increasing their numbers to create a large empire, GCx Churches did not really take care of their people, especially those who had less to give. The only needs that were made known were those of the leaders themselves, with the exception of couple “favored saints.” A lot of members were busy providing free services to them on a regular basis. When there were only 30 (including elders and their wives) of us in the beginning (in Maryland) we were expected to support 3 “elders” and their growing families. How many very small churches do you know that support 3 pastors? Ridiculous! Probably intended to greatly accelerate the spread of the “movement.” Two of them should have gotten full-time jobs.

As a result, some members had a full or part-time job just taking care of the highly honored “elders.” After multiple weekly teaching sessions, “fellowship” events, and Sunday services where the members mostly set up and took down the entire physical church in a campus or public building somewhere; there was babysitting, shopping, haircutting, moving, painting, printing, etc. It was like running a business outside your full-time job. Oh, I didn’t mention visitation (“discipling”) and phone calling of people you were trying to “sell” membership of GCx to. No time to even think about getting off the crazy burdensome treadmill. Of course, most of the teachings were absurdly about giving more - time, money, skills; and getting more people in the church - saved already or not.

Anyhow, I came across this scripture today as I’m reading through Acts, and I said to myself - “WAIT!” - that verse actually says “distribute to anyone as he has need.” It doesn’t say distributed to the elders families. As far I understand (from my observance and what I have read here) - THAT...was NOT HAPPENING in GCx. Sometimes even leader’s (not in important circles) needs were ignored. Care for the flock’s needs were not really recognized. They seemed to be ignored, or blamed on some sinful action of that member.

Like the Pharisees, McCotter and many GCx leaders seemed to press on only a few commands of the Bible, but abdicated the weightier things - like LOVE for one another.


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